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murphy38

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:39 pm


What do you prefer: Lewis OR Madigan??

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:D Hi everbody! :D 

What do you prefer caracter?

LEWIS or MADIGAN?

For me is LEWIS & you?


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DJR2096

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:08 pm



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Lewis, She is shoulder for Murphy to lean on.


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Nika Silwerra

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:15 pm



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heh .. on these days I am watching the series !! so I have a doubts 

oki Lewis is the first and best of Robocop partners .. she revealed the secret of Robocop + close Robocops friend !! hmm but  the Medigan seems as good new partnet too . and have so cool hair !!

hmm so 100% for the Lewis  and 80% for the Medigan  !!  :wink:


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Josh

Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:18 pm



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Lewis. Cause she is a strong female character who kicks ass.


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MurphysGal

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:41 pm



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Lewis for sure


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Josh

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:56 pm



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Plus Madigan was there simply for the fact of giving Robo a partner in the Series. Plus it is obvious tha she has a lot of Lewis' characteristics.


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Lethal Response

Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:58 am



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MADIGAN FOREVER! :lier: ;)

Nah,
Lewis, Lewis, Lewis.  :D


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roboben

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:36 am



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Dear all,

For Madigen, was it just because they don't have the right to use the name "Lewis" again, so they must change the character name, similarily:

Serg. Parks = Serg. Reed
Chairman = Oldman
etc.

(if you disregard what happened in Robo3)

For me,
Lewis = a real strong character
Madigen = better looking

They rank equal

Roboben


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SiR-ROUND

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:49 pm



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I wouldn't know... Lewis...


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miamirobo

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:11 am



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Ann Lewis is the original but truthfully after R1 anyone could have been a great Robo partner..but for me Ann Lewis is the best....


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murphy38

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:16 am



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:D yes! i'm sure, LEWIS is a best partner !!!!!!!!!!


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Justice

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:55 pm



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I feel like a total n00b right now... But who is this Madigan character?


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Josh

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:00 pm



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Robo's partner in the Series.


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Justice

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:34 pm



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Ah, okay... That makes sense. I've only seen a couple of eps of that... and it has been years...


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Sgt. Reed

Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:27 am



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To quote Robo1 "Can I have them both?!"
If I had to jump in sack with one of em, I couldn't decide. Id take both even if I had to pay more than a dollar!

But seriously, I prefer Lewis because Madigan kind of dresses like a trucker
and she's too much of a TV character. You know, lame jokes and shit..

I think Lewis had a bit more attitude.


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annmurphy

Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:49 pm



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Ann Lewis will always be the best part Nancy Allen ever played, even Peter Weller thought so! Nancy's dad was a cop in real life and I think it helped her role turn out great!
Madigan was good for the tv show, but once she became a Detective, she and Murphy seemed to do there own thing at times.  Plus, with the exception of Murphy being reborn as Robocop, Lewis was most likely the only cop to get shot up by Clarence and live to talk about it!!


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RoboFan_93

Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:46 pm



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It depends...besides R1, Lewis didn't really do much, unlike Madigan who handled cases on her own in The Series...If it was just R1, it's a tie for me, if it was just R2 and R3 - Madigan.


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RoboDemise

Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:01 pm



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Scarlett Johansson as the new lewis, or female lead for me. Then I may like Lewis in all her downfalls.

But in general it is hard for me to like the lewis character because she is what she is. But I don't know enough about the series to pick the other girl. So I pick..... Death for both of them and bring in Scarlett. I like all of HER characters. :wink:


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Nika Silwerra

Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:43 pm



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 because she is what she is.

She is what she is ? Hey you ! Without her would Robo just wander about streets and at the end of the film we would never hear the famous words " Murphyyy" !
So ehm !
 But well ! Scarlett is indeed beautiful !

I like both character, Lewis and also Madigan . Of course no one may replace Lewis ! Btw Medigan plays almost the same Lewis role in the Series + she is a detective because that is a series with many episodes so she needs more work around and maybe also better show the character . Of course both Lewis also Madigan are very close and loyal friends to Robo/Murphy. 

a bit off .. The actress playing Madigan .. the Yvette Nipar had there really great hair !  :)


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RoboDemise

Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:02 pm



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You got a point there Nika. Well, at least we can agree on Scarlett. :wink:


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Sean_001

Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:38 am



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Wow, annmurphy brought up an oldie! But a goodie! This is one I've never commented on...

Lewis, while Murphy's partner before his death, was (God strike me down now) almost useless. Okay, she rescued him from the parking garage, and uttered the words "murphy, it's you".

But (I know I'm going off topic a little bit, but bare with me, I have a point) Even without Lewis showing up and saying anything to Robo, He would still have found out who he was. Let's not forget that the dream was the first glitch in the RoboCop operating system. That was the catalyst for his quest, Lewis just kind of stumbled along and broke his stride.

"But Sean, what about the parking garage?" Yes, I'm getting to that. Now, had Lewis have not ran into Robo and called him by name, chances are good that the two were meant to run into each other again in their present courses. Lewis had witnessed Robo spinning the gun before the dream even happened. Thus planting the small seed of knowledge that RoboCop was Alex Murphy. Therefor, She'd still be just another trigger in Robo regaining some of his memory. And thusly, making it to the parking garage just in time to save Robo from being turned into swiss cheese.

Madigan, on the other hand, was a common foot soldier who wanted to be more. She wanted to be a detective. In the Series Pilot, Madigan was "going up for detective", So she did her homework. Meaning research, on RoboCop, and discovered that he was Alex Murphy. She didn't have the close relationship (starting out anyways) that Lewis had. Madigan didn't know Robo AS Murphy.

Now, while Madigan was a good enough character in the Series, she's less than amazing when it comes to delivering the kind of Balls Lewis had throughout the Franchise. Madigan always seemed to force how much of a badass she WANTED to be. Brilliant detective or not, Madigan doesn't really add up to being the best Robo-partner ever.

Ok, I'm one of those guys that have read all the Marvel Comics issues, and have found that even in the comic, Lewis still kicks more ass than Madigan could ever dream to kick.

Summation: I'm going with Lewis all the way. Madigan, while a good character for a shit-based series, just doesn't add up.

Lewis is the best Partner Robo/Murphy ever had, or will ever have. (Unless Mick Turner turns out to be Lewis' male equivelent).


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Stan The Man

Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:40 am



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I like 'em both, though I'd probably give the edge to Lewis overall. Madigan worked alright in the Series, but wasn't original - Indeed, she's mostly the Lewis character in a different wrapper.

Like Sean said, character-wise, one could say Madigan posed more on-screen significance than Lewis, but she did lack actual strength in her character. She never had the same attitude or stoutness that Lewis had, Though that was due to the show itself more than anything. 

Lewis of course was the original partner, and who helped Robo find himself again. Lewis was the important next domino to fall in-line with Robo discovering Murphy, and though her role was downplayed significantly in the sequels, she still remained a fairly important and memorable character to support Robo.

That said, I like Demise's thinking, though I'm not entirely sure I'd like to see Scarlett as a Lewis replacement. But her for another leading female character, that would be alright. :)


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Zentron

Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:23 am



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It was the first scene of Robo the series that put me off Madigan, so Lewis gets my vote!


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Officer Harvey

Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:24 pm



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Lewis, hands-down. Madigan was based on her in the first place, and was a knock-off. The original gets the vote from me. Nancy Allen was one of the few who could play a tough female character and still be hot doing it. 

I always thought the writers did a good job at least in playing off the latent sexual tension between Lewis and Murphy, and we all know IT WAS THERE but they didn't go down the typical route and have Lewis going obviously goo-goo gaga over him. I think the relationship they had and what Lewis did for Murphy, being his emotional anchor (and even possibly vice-versa), was much more intimate and effective. They both loved each other, I think that came across in all three movies in subtle hints in how one was highly-protective of the other.

Murphy and Lewis' last scene together summed that unspoken love aspect of their partnership beautifully. When Lewis managed to get out "Murphy..." just before her passing, it's not much of a stretch to guess what she meant to follow that up with.


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Archive

Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:30 pm



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The problem with Lewis is that she lost her reason for existing after RoboCop 1. While the character was there in the two sequels it served little purpose other than having a established character there. She didn't evolve and could have as easily been replaced by someone else. 

In the series Madigan got more to do and evolved in some areas, she got promoted, had drug problems, almost got crippled for life etc.. stuff that made the character grow. Lewis got very little of that and after 3 movies we know pretty much nothing.

Also, Madigan is prettier......

http://robocoparchive.com/forum/lewis-madigan.jpg


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Archive

Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:03 pm



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Scarlett Johansson as the new lewis, or female lead for me. 

http://robocoparchive.com/forum/scarlett-cop.jpg


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RoboDemise

Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:17 pm



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And... I love her. That's awesome Archive. Murphy would definately be checkin her out in the shower.


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CoboRop

Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:11 pm



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Lewis everytime, for the primary reason of, I have never watched the TV series nor ever intend to.

Also, for the record, I think Lewis is (or was) fiiiiiiiit.


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Primrose Lane

Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:44 pm



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I always got strange vibes that Lewis had feelings for Murphy, especially as the films progressed.

One of the most heart-warming moments in the first movie for me is when Murphy is getting ready to take out Boddicker's gang and he tells her to get out of here. I love how she smiles at him and reminds him that they're partners. In other words, she's not going anywhere, she's staying by his side, and she's going to help him avenge himself or she'll die trying.


I think Archive makes some great points about her lack of development in later movies, but I'm such a stickler for the first film that I'm gonna choose Lewis. Hands down.


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Archive

Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:54 pm



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One problem i also have with Lewis, and this is gonna sound disrespectful, is that she aged really quick, and not like a fine wine. In Robo1 she is this young cocky cop with an attitude, about a year later with Robo2 she has aged considerably and in Robo3 she is basically a veteran beat cop. It could have something to do with the haircut but that is only one truth.

Of course i understand that Nancy Allen has to be allowed to age but combined with her lack of character development it's like THE Lewis i like disappeared after RoboCop1.


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Dash

Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:53 am



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I'll be the first to open my feelings with the shallow analysis: Madigan was hot.  Yvette Nipar is STILL hot.  Saw her on CSI in 2005 and I'd still jump her bones in a heartbeat. :)

Now to the serious.  I should start by noting to others that Madigan and Lewis are not two separate characters in the same universe; they are the SAME character in two DIFFERENT universes.  The proof of the matter is: in the films, Murphy's wife is "Ellen".  In the series, his wife is "Nancy".  She is the only character who can't be "swapped out" for some faceless analogue because she's Murphy's wife.  Yes, one could argue that since Robocop 3 and the series came out at around the same time and Ellen Murphy's name wasn't revealed until the third film, then the writers for the series had to "guess" her name.  You could even argue that "Nancy" is her real name because Neumeier and Miner wrote the pilot for the series.  Still, I disagree and strongly view the movies and series as separate universes.  Thus, Madigan was with Murphy when he died.  Parks told Murphy he works for a living at Metro South.  You get the idea.

Anyway, I agree with Archive that Lewis wasn't fully developed by the end of the trilogy, which is a damn waste.  Lewis is a tough-as-nails street cop, and I love the kind of woman that can kick my ass. :)  But unfortunately, as far as brains/detective work goes, the only thing she has to her credit is figuring out who Murphy was.  Madigan, on the other hand, is shown to be very smart--and, sometimes, even cunning.  I could see her as the high school nerd with thick glasses who got hotter with age. :b  Like Morton said, smart is sexy.  She is given room to grow in the series, and as detective, she wasn't always playing second fiddle to Robocop.  But sadly, she doesn't kick a lot of ass; in fact, there were way too many times when she was playing the damsel and I thought that was a waste.

When it comes down to it though, I never felt the emotional connection between Murphy and Madigan.  Remember, these women were with Murphy when he got blown to smithereens and that created a connection beyond personal.  The only time I really felt that connection in the series was in the pilot.  But I always felt that connection between him and Lewis.  Sure, we saw her reaction to his death first-hand, but that connection was still present until the very end.  For that reason, I gotta give it to Lewis, if only for the first movie (and a feeble attempt in the third movie).


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Sean_001

Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:50 pm



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Now to the serious.  I should start by noting to others that Madigan and Lewis are not two separate characters in the same universe; they are the SAME character in two DIFFERENT universes.  The proof of the matter is: in the films, Murphy's wife is "Ellen".  In the series, his wife is "Nancy".  She is the only character who can't be "swapped out" for some faceless analogue because she's Murphy's wife.  Yes, one could argue that since Robocop 3 and the series came out at around the same time and Ellen Murphy's name wasn't revealed until the third film, then the writers for the series had to "guess" her name.  You could even argue that "Nancy" is her real name because Neumeier and Miner wrote the pilot for the series.  Still, I disagree and strongly view the movies and series as separate universes.  Thus, Madigan was with Murphy when he died.  Parks told Murphy he works for a living at Metro South.  You get the idea.

I have actually thought the same as well.

This alternate Robo-verse idea is the best explaination as to why Murphy in the films has light-brown hair, and Murphy from the series has brunette coloring. Aside from the obvious reasons (played by two different actors) Seems the only steady element from film to series was Boddicker. He never changed. But everything else did.

Even the OCP symbol changed. 

This is a very interesting thought.

As for my views....

See earlier posts. I will stick with R1 Lewis all the time.

Even though Robo and Madigan had longer time together on screen and better rapport.


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Dash

Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:26 pm



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I have actually thought the same as well.

This alternate Robo-verse idea is the best explaination as to why Murphy in the films has light-brown hair, and Murphy from the series has brunette coloring. Aside from the obvious reasons (played by two different actors) Seems the only steady element from film to series was Boddicker. He never changed. But everything else did.

Even the OCP symbol changed. 

Yeah, I figured things like hair color wouldn't be much evidence to my argument-- especially the Nancy/Ellen comparison (brown/blonde hair, respectively)--but I had considered that.  Take Daredevil, for instance: the Kingpin is canonically white, but cast as a black man.  In Battlestar Galactica, Starbuck is a woman instead of a man.  Actually, that last comparison is a bad example since it's quite obviously a different universe. :b

But yeah, Boddicker is the only consistency.  Which makes you wonder: how would Dick Jones' role have been impacted in the series, if at all?  Probably none, since he's dead and all, but still...


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WeKilledYou

Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:26 am



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Easily Lewis for me. How can you not like her? She isn't just a professional cop and great partner, but she's a great friend that goes above and beyond the call of duty.


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robocop87

Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:18 am



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Lewis for sure...strangely I got the feeling from Robocop 1 that if Murphy hadn't of been married him and Lewis might have got together if he hadn't of got killed...I dunno...kinda thought they had chemistry


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AlexRobo

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:14 am



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Me, too, but I thought the bond between them became stronger after Lewis rescued RoboCop from the SWAT team.  You could see them getting closer together with her nearly comforting him after he took off his helmet and as she helped him fix his targeting.  She also had an affectionate smile on her face after he said, "they'll fix you.  They fixed everything."


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razgriz21

Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:22 pm



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Lewis.

She could have easily been eye candy but thankfully she is a capable police officer and the equivalent to Murphy.

She brought a lot of humanity but also backup.  

Props to Nancy Allen.


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ShockDingo

Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:42 am



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Lewis.

She could have easily been eye candy but thankfully she is a capable police officer and the equivalent to Murphy.

She brought a lot of humanity but also backup.  

Props to Nancy Allen.
Gotta agree with you on this. She was pure awesome and dependable as a partner. One of the issues I had with the Avatar Press books is that they focused waaaaaaay too much on the eye candy. She was always covered in blood and had her outfit shredded in a "Sexy" way. It felt like a parody.


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ChAnOoD

Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:13 pm



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 One of the issues I had with the Avatar Press books is that they focused waaaaaaay too much on the eye candy. She was always covered in blood and had her outfit shredded in a "Sexy" way. It felt like a parody.

Even the technicians and Dr. Love looked like pornstars there  :b 

To me, Lewis. She looked more honest, strong and closer to Murphy, while I see Madigan like a smart ass sometimes.


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SgtParks

Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:59 pm



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I dont know if you can rate one above the other because they are the same character just with the name change because of rights issues. it even has madigan saying "Murphy its You!" in the opening credits.


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ElectricSoul

Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:53 pm



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Lewis,definitely. but part of that may be due to my limited exposure to the TV Series.

Allen and Weller had a chemistry together. plus you can tell how much Lewis cared about Murphy after his resurrection. before he died, she was cocky and a smartass. hell, she even looks Murphy over in the police station,you can tell she had at least a little attraction to him. but after the Boddicker Gang Massacre she seems more reserved,a bit depressed,maybe? whe she's at the target range she seems uncomfortable shooting up the paper target - memories of watching Murphy get shot up intruding? even when she has her first inkling of Murphy being back in the same scene,she looks upset and,again,uncomfortable. then putting her life on the line to not only rescue Robo from the parking garage, but staying with him to face Boddicker and Co. again when she easily could've left - was TOLD to leave - shows she's grown up and has her partner's back this time. she screwed up the first time the teamed together,she wasn't going to do it again.


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Sin_Valor

Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:56 pm



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Lewis for me! She was badass in 'RoboCop 1', she was also supportive and sympathised with Murphy. I didn't mind watching her mature throughout the films, I mean yes Nancy is aging, but so is the character and the years they spend in between the events of the trilogy...and I was pissed off when she got killed off. I ultimately HATED RoboCop 3 just because Lewis is dead, that was just bullshit.


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WeKilledYou

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:35 pm



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I also liked the way Lewis was written in that she had sex appeal, but it wasn't from her dressing skimpy or acting like a skank. She was pretty, smart, strong, independant, but believable. She was still human and made mistakes.


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JadeETC

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:30 am



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Lewis is HOT, Lisa is not. :)


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LuanaTF

Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:06 am



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I liked Dash's post from 2011. I agree with his views.

Anyway, I have to admit I liked both characters, even though Lewis... well, she's Lewis, Robo's partner from the start. As Archive says, I think she wasn't developed well as a character, though, a luck that Madigan had in the series (but that's what a series is for, other than storytelling; with a series you have all the room to develop characters).

I could imagine Madigan being one of the colleagues of Lewis and Robo, because she's a good character. But I can only see Lewis as Robo's partner.


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Stan The Man

Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:15 pm



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Lewis is HOT, Lisa is not. :)

Lol first cut Robo and now this... Well, if you say so, anyway. I still think Dash put it though.

That said, (and I believe Dash, myself and even others have mentioned this before in this very thread), it should be kept in mind that Madigan is essentially actually just a slightly modified Lewis, and not really a different character, so it's not a fair and proper comparison really. 

In that regard though, have to give the nod to the character's she's continuing on from, so that plus the other points - Lewis of course.


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RegalSin

Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:43 am



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Madigan and Lewis are the same characters, but Madigan, is Lewis after she became a detective, and is not a regular officer. So her attitude is more relaxed. I mean she is badarse still but we are not talking about a movie.

A movie is suppose to be a TV series, minimized for one hour or two. Meaning they had to be picky to give Lewis, correct lines. So Madigan is the not so extreme Lewis, or the lines she did not use.


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TheVindicator

Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:55 am



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After watching the Series recently..I am very torn on this issue. But at the moment I am giving the edge to surprisingly enough...

Magigan. Yep I said it. I think Yvette Nipar was a better partner than Nancy Allen. Why? Well she has more to do for one. She also did not choose to be in a RoboCop film only if her character was going to die. Which when I found out about that I was pissed. Lewis doesn't even die a heroic death in RoboCop 3. She just stands there and gets shot. She isn't as bad as Robo in that scene though since he just stands there like a moron not even trying to get in the way of the gunshots to protect his close friend..God RoboCop 3 is awful!

Like I said..Madigan has more to her character. Maybe if Lewis had more screen time in the films and if we knew a lot about her I would give the edge to her. But Lewis has next to none. We know nothing about her other than that she's Murphy's partner. That's it.

With Madigan you really get to know her quite well over the span of the series. You know she's tough, but she's also smart, and she has her flaws too. She went through addiction in one episode that dealt with the No Gain diet pills. She's every bit as spunky and tough as Nancy Allen's Lewis, but in my opinion it's the character development that gives her the edge. Not a large one but a slim victory. 

And this is surprising for me to even admit this right now. I gave The Series no chance when I was getting ready to watch it for the first time. I thought it was going to be suck city. But I am really happy that I was proven wrong, because I have discovered what is in my opinion a well written, well executed tv show that is also a lot of fun to watch. And Madigan is most definitely part of the reason why.


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Stan The Man

Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:36 am



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The Series definitely does have it's good points, it's worth a watch, even if you're a diehard R1/Verhoeven purist.. That said, I believe it was said by Allen herself that while she didn't wanna work in the third film she didn't prefer her character getting killed either - That was how the movie did it, she didn't ask for that, she just didn't wanna be in the film without Weller. 

Back to point, I will grant that we indeed don't know a lot about Lewis in the films. Now I think she could have been made a bit more significant than the films showed.. Even then though there's not much room in the movies to develop the character, as compared to the TV Series. Again, I don't think it's entirely a fair comparison.


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Junko

Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:14 am



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I have seen the Series maybe just once or twice before, so I don't remember about Madigan well...
As the most of members already know,  I have drawn Robo&Lewis in my comics for quite long time, 
of course I like Lewis better. :) 

In fact, I like Lewis in R1 the best, then in Marvel Comics and Novels.
As many members mentioned already, her character underdeveloped after R1, and I thought so as well.
Personally, I don't like her hairstyles in R2&R3...Looks older and not attractive for me, unfortunately.:? 

I wanted her especially, in R2, to care Robo more softly and gently...
I even felt she looked cold attitude a little to Robo in the movie R2, couldn't see any emotional connection between them..
Of course, she is a strong and kick ass female cop when she's on duty, 
but when she's with Robo, I want her to be a "woman" for treating Robo.
In contrast, in the novel, she is so nice, sweet and feminine to him, and I really like her in that.http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w445/Junka0123/30AD30E930AD30E9_m.gif

So, I understand some fans can't see them in romantic angle by watching only the movies.
Even me, I can't imagine that in the movies.:opps: 
The romantic world of Robo&Lewis is for only in comics or novels, I think.:rose: 

Anyway, I think my Lewis is based on the novel, and just wanna develop her character more in my drawing. :wink:


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AlexRobo

Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:09 pm



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I too think Lewis was underused in the RoboCop sequels and we could have learned a lot more about her like how she lived outside of her job, her friends and also her history as an Old Detroit policewoman (her CV, commendations, etc.).  Although in RoboCop 3, she lets on that her brother hasn't spoken to her for some time meaning that they are not very close.  I also wonder if she had any kids herself like Murphy who had a son.

Whenever I used to watch this, I always thought this is what Lewis must have been like before she met Murphy.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu7dwd_gina-gershon-in-sweet-revenge-1987_shortfilms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ7Lkl_Ym74


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Silicon Knight

Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:13 am



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Lewis from the first RoboCop is really one of the most underrated sci-fi heroines - she's not mentioned as often as Ripley or Sarah Connor. True, she's not as central to the plot as those are in their franchises, but she was a great character.. Yes, she was a bit underdeveloped in R2, and one of the most stupid things in R3 was killing her off. If Murphy had anything close to being a true friend, it was Lewis.


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Stan The Man

Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:45 am



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Agree wholeheartedly with you guys about the sequels lagging and downplaying the Lewis character and her relationship with Murphy, particularly R2 - I always thought it was one of its big problems. And it's a shame because it's really something that a sequel should have taken the opportunity to build on. Doesn't need a lot at all - I myself wouldn't have asked for much, just a good exchange or two and a couple bits here and there. We're talking about adding maybe five minutes to the film.

The brother mentioned in R3 was also a point in R2 originally - He was a trucker and she learned how to drive big-rig trucks from him. That was essential as, in the prior script, she used a big-rig to smash into RoboCAIN at the end, rather than the APC we see in the film now. A little thing like that would have gone a long way really in helping her character be more significant, and hardly would have been a detriment to the film itself. But it didn't happen that way, so what can ya do..

Madigan had better opportunity to develop - Being in a TV series, there's room to fill and go into development and background on characters, especially over time. As the Lewis character didn't really have that chance, again, that's where I think the comparison is a bit unfair.


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KidGoesWild

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:33 am



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Hmm, Im not sure if I can agree with you guys on the underdevelopment of the Lewis character in the sequel. The first movie developed characters beautifully without really dwelling on their lives or any personal details. Heck, we barely knew anything about Murphy other than that he had a wife and son and that he liked westerns and imitated western gun tricks. Thats why I always say how amazing it is that with so little information, characters can be defined so well just with their behaviour

Lewis was the same, she was just there, she didnt blab about ex husband, her previous jobs or moving out of some city etc as some character would in other movies, she was just there, and she was just herself and that was enough, and I feel the same thing translated into sequels

In the second one she obviously cares about Murph when he gets thrashed to pieces, and shes loyally still on duty even during the police strike. In the deleted shower scenes shes shown as feeling pity for Robo

In the third, well, shes just being herself, concerned about Murph and standing for whats right



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http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/


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Junko

Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:13 pm



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I enjoyed reading each different opinion. :) 
Above my opinion comes from a woman perception, so I'd appreciate if you guys understand me. :wink: 

BTW, according to Marvel Comic Vol17, Lewis was married before, and her ex-husband showed up in the issue.
Here are the copies.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w445/Junka0123/marverl17.jpg
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w445/Junka0123/marverl17-2.jpg
His name is Earl, seems he was a loser as her husband... :roll: 
No wonder Lewis dumped him...Yes, Robo is much, much more attractive than him!http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w445/Junka0123/ha-to-1.gif:lol: 
I guess she has no her own children. Maybe she chose to be single...


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Stan The Man

Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:33 pm



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Lewis was the same, she was just there, she didnt blab about ex husband, her previous jobs or moving out of some city etc as some character would in other movies, she was just there, and she was just herself and that was enough, and I feel the same thing translated into sequels

In the second one she obviously cares about Murph when he gets thrashed to pieces, and shes loyally still on duty even during the police strike. In the deleted shower scenes shes shown as feeling pity for Robo

In the third, well, shes just being herself, concerned about Murph and standing for whats right

True, she was 'just there', and that was it. And it's fine, but I always thought she could have been cranked up a single notch from 'just there' in R2. In a lot of cases in R2 (mainly action scenes) they act independent of each other, and don't really 'team up' and have unified action like the original (and to an extent, R3). Basically, I just feel that they didn't emphasize a companionship and partnership in R2 but thought more of Lewis as an occasional sidekick, just didn't feel or seem quite the same. It seemed like a step-down, when I would think after making through the events in R1, the logical thing would have been to have the relationship possibly stepped-up a bit.

I have thought about this a lot, and might contend I'm looking a bit too much into it, judging it a bit too harshly. Other elements come into play too, the active police strike reducing Lewis' availability and forcing Robo to go it alone is a reasonable rationale, and such. But still, I just think Lewis seemed a bit underplayed in the sequels, in R2 by unfortunate design, in R3 by necessity. It wasn't ever that much to me, it was a rather subtle difference. Nevertheless, a little extra inclusion of Lewis' character in R2 would have helped, both for the character and the film as a whole. Case-in-point, one of your mentions of Lewis being a strong point in the film doesn't actually even happen in the film itself, it's a deleted scene. Should they have had that particular scene in the film? Perhaps, perhaps not - But just a little extra Lewis would not have been a bad thing. Just the addition of that brother/trucker piece would have done wonders and not hurt the rest of the film at all. 

That said, I had forgot about the Marvel comics, and how they handled Lewis and Murphy. In my defense I haven't read them all, and the ones I did read I haven't read in some time. But from what I gather that comic series handled the Lewis/Murphy relationship well. 

Now I will agree with KGW that the way the films are set-up and how they operate, we don't need a lot of exposition or background on characters, too much would indeed slow the film down and be a potential mess. Still, I think R2 could have done better in that regard, again, not much at all, just a bit. R3 did ok with Lewis, it probably could have done more originally but with her character being killed off rather than just leaving, it would have been a waste - No point going much into a character that you're gonna lose permanently nearly half-way into the film.

Madigan was both a partner and independent sidekick of sorts, the Series did a decent balance of having her along with Robo at times and also having her and Robo operate on their own with limited or no interaction. I just don't think Lewis had that balance, didn't have that chance and therefore can't be compared. I still prefer Lewis, as she is the quintessential partner to Robo/Murphy, and much as I like Madigan, all she was ultimately was the Lewis that could have been, a showing of how the Lewis character should/could have been done in many ways.


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Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:42 am



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Its a real pity that the deleted scenes didnt make it into the movie (R2) or that we dont have a special edition with the scenes reinserted, but what can you do. Overall, I personally think Lewis is good the way she is in the trilogy, could there be a room for something else? Eh, I think it would be unnecessary seeing how the first one defined the characters without any background or motivation. I still felt a strong camaraderie between Robo and Lewis in all the movies, but everyone has different opinions of course, I personally dont feel anything missing


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Stan The Man

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:30 pm



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I don't think anything's missing, just think there could have been a wee bit more. Of course that's how I feel about R2 generally, but that's something else. I do agree about the deleted scenes, it is a pity.

Anyway, still Lewis. Of course.


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JimWantsAliens

Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:20 pm



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Lazarus.

Joke, obviously Lewis.  But I have to say, the actresses who play Lazarus and Madigan are actually perfectly OK.  They were never gripes for me about the 3rd film or TV series.


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JohnBoyAdvance

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:06 pm



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Sad point is, I barely remember the TV series and I really dont want to harm myself so I dont want to relive the memories.

But I will say - Loved Lewis in 1, liked Lewis in 2 but she didn't do anything and they should have cast a new actress in 3 if Allen was gonna "I'll do it but she dies" thing.

Madigan was cute though looking at the piccies.

As far as Lazarus is concerned, was she meant to be one of the background techs in Robo 1, fleshed out (Also lead science tech in Robo 2)? Or is she a whole new character? But yeah she was probably more effective than either of the two above.


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Stan The Man

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:11 pm



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As far as Lazarus is concerned, was she meant to be one of the background techs in Robo 1, fleshed out (Also lead science tech in Robo 2)? Or is she a whole new character? But yeah she was probably more effective than either of the two above.

I'm sure she was an extension of the female lab tech from R2, doubtful she was based in R1 at all, though. Nevertheless, I won't really consider Lazarus 'more effective', and frankly don't like that she became an usurpation of the Lewis role - Sure Lazarus has an important part but it's not the same, R2 did it alright but in R3 she suddenly became an active partner wielding a gun (the Dark Horse comics, also), which was bullshit. Her increased presence and importance, her being 'more effective', came at the expense of the Lewis character. Admittedly she was the next best thing if Lewis had to be killed off, but still, bullshit..

I agree, should have re-cast and kept the character, I would have preferred that. Bah.


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JohnBoyAdvance

Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:46 pm



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As far as Lazarus is concerned, was she meant to be one of the background techs in Robo 1, fleshed out (Also lead science tech in Robo 2)? Or is she a whole new character? But yeah she was probably more effective than either of the two above.

I'm sure she was an extension of the female lab tech from R2, doubtful she was based in R1 at all, though. Nevertheless, I won't really consider Lazarus 'more effective', and frankly don't like that she became an usurpation of the Lewis role - Sure Lazarus has an important part but it's not the same, R2 did it alright but in R3 she suddenly became an active partner wielding a gun (the Dark Horse comics, also), which was bullshit. Her increased presence and importance, her being 'more effective', came at the expense of the Lewis character. Admittedly she was the next best thing if Lewis had to be killed off, but still, bullshit..

I agree, should have re-cast and kept the character, I would have preferred that. Bah.

True. But then again, I could never see Lewis randomly firing off an Uzi. It kinda worked in a guerilla/revolution thing.

Doesn't matter. None of it is canon now! :p I kid.


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vegasrobo

Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:18 pm



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I'd bang'em both...:)


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JMRamos87

Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:18 am



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It's Anne Lewis for me.


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Josh

Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:42 pm



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I'd bang'em both...:)

Spoken like a true gentleman.


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Meriandressial

Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:02 am



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They are both good. I like them both equally.

Lisa Madigan got more backstory, since she was in a tv series.


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RoboLewis

Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm



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Lewis all the way! Nancy Allen did such a wonderful job in the first film that I wanted to see every movie she made. I wish Murphy and Lewis had more onscreen time together in Robocop 2 to show how they’ve grown as partners since the last film. When they killed her off in R3, I was really angry and I didn’t care about the rest of the movie. It’s like they wanted Robo to form a new bond with Dr. Lazarus and Nikko instead. As for Madigan, I liked the episodes where she got addicted to No Gain and in Nano where she became paralyzed. I didn’t care for Yvette Nipar at first because I didn’t like her character Jackie Garrett, Tom Hanson’s (Johnny Depp) girlfriend on a few episodes of 21 Jump Street. Madigan was cool, but I’m fond of Anne Lewis!


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Archive

Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:38 pm



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 It’s like they wanted Robo to form a new bond with Dr. Lazarus and Nikko instead.

Oh yes, that was indeed the idea. Robo got a new family at the end.


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Robomania

Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:33 pm



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Yeah I feel the same with the use of Lazerus being a replacement.

So far as the thread question, it's Lewis for me.  I feel kinda bad for the character when I think about the events after the first movie, apparently the role was cut down in R2 (though I am not sure to what degree), killed off early in R3 and then although it was a different thing, not there in the remake.

Madigan did grow on me I guess, there is time to accomplish that in a series.

