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artuditu

Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:38 pm


Vote RoboCop (2014) !

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Right now IMDB says 6.7/10 with almost 14.000 votes. 

What would be the Robo fans community rating of the remake? 

I know there is a review topic, but I like the empiric power of numbers instead of the endless talking :b  

edit: I would've liked to give more precision to the poll, but there is a limit of 10 poll options. You can post your rating if you want to state decimals (for example 6.5 or 7.5)


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gez1967

Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:18 pm



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I gave it a 6 - Interesting that was pushing it they could of done more with it


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Protec

Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:51 pm



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I gave a solid 8. It was very enjoyable movie and a very different take to the subject. With a little better casting, it would have been a better movie, and maybe some blood and better soundtrack :D

But i really hated the murphys wife. She felt so...cold. There was no warmth between them. 

But i really loved the charachter of Dennett Norton!
Also it was nice to see Michael Keaton :) 

Yes, i would watch it again. It was one of those movies that made you think. Setting the dopamine levels..maybe that was a "pun" to todays habit of giving antidepressants to everyone..."oh you feel tired, take some anti depressants"

And where the hell was the robovoice :(


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Stan The Man

Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:57 pm



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With most of the numbers I did tally on the review topic the other day - the average was around 7. Lets see what the poll says..

Hmm, seems the average number is still looking about 7 or so though... There is a 9 and a 10 (Bah) but also a 5 vote so it evens out about the same.


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TWayne001

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:00 pm



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With most of the numbers I did tally on the review topic the other day - the average was around 7. Lets see what the poll says..

Hmm, seems the average number is still looking about 7 or so though... There is a 9 and a 10 (Bah) but also a 5 vote so it evens out about the same.

Man have you not seen this yet? what's taking so long lol. (And dont say snow lol)

I came out of the theater with about a 6.5 - 7... Now after sleeping on it, thinking it over for a few days, and adjusting to it, I'm sticking with an 8. I appreciate the effort that went into the film too much to give it any lower. There's parts I absolutely hate, and there's decisions that I disagree with, but it's not my film! I don't love every frame of any film. The music is just downright terrible and that's honestly the biggest problem I have with it. Otherwise, I can not wait to rewatch this. 

I believe it's a very re watchable movie, especially once the black suit hits the streets. I'll have this pumping on my tv at home several times over, and it may become more tolerable for it. The handheld guerrilla cam just didn't work for me in IMAX, but I'm not holding tha against it.


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Stan The Man

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:08 pm



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Man have you not seen this yet? what's taking so long lol. (And dont say snow lol)

Tomorrow, man. :wink:


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Archive

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:11 pm



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I gave it a 7 on this poll. It is a good movie overall, but I probably rate it too high just because of the character.

I've seen it twice and its many flaws becomes clearer on repeat viewings. The script is weak and the overall feel is flat, but I was never bored.


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Josh

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:25 pm



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Five for me.

Not bad, not good, just average.


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OCP-001

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:30 pm



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I voted for "Very good" it's a solid movie and touches human, politics and family topics in a very interesting way. This film definetely has a ton of heart. I really enjoyed it, I want to watch it again and I can't wait for the DVD release for my collection.


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Sin_Valor

Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:20 am



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I gave it 3 - it looked really awful, would not watch it again.


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ShockDingo

Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:02 am



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I give it a  5. Some interesting ideas presented, a few moments I liked, but overall held back by playing it safe, bad pacing and not having a clear direction.


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artuditu

Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:26 pm



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My note would be 6.5 so I was in a dilemma about what voting here, 6 or 7. 

I ultimately chose a 6 because I get more disappointed the more I learn and I think about all the ending part getting completely redone, most probably to go for a safe resolution. Right now we can only guess. Who knows if we will get an extended/alternative cut in DVD and then maybe, and only maybe, I could give the remake a 7.


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ChAnOoD

Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:14 pm



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I give it a  5. Some interesting ideas presented, a few moments I liked, but overall held back by playing it safe, bad pacing and not having a clear direction.

Same here. Mediocre. You could do it better, even with a PG-13 rating.


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WeKilledYou

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:20 pm



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I voted 6. On my scale of 1-10, anything below 5 is bad, so I found the whole experience a little above average.


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vegasrobo

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:59 pm



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Upon further viewings I've had to go with 5 I mean its really the truth anything past that is just blind fanboy hope.


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RoboDemise

Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:25 pm



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I hate to break it to you but we're all fanboys. Different levels of fanboyism but that's what we are. Anything else is just denial.


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vegasrobo

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:33 pm



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:


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beer

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:04 pm



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:



Miner and Neumeier and that's not a joke! 

Verhoeven doens't like there's no longer creativity in Hollywoood and is not really interested in seeing this movie.
There' was in interview with Verhoeven last week in the news papers.


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=114702

First, Paul Verhoeven really made our script, which is a dream for writers. English is his second language, so he kept coming to us and asking, "How does this joke work?" and "How does that joke work?" I think 95% of our screenplay finished up on the screen.
 (To be honest minder and neumeier are C writers without Verhoeven in 1987 there wouldn't be a Robocop movie. Verhoeven Changed the whole draft/ story/script.



Proof about Neumeier and Miner.

Miner wrote to Neumeier!

Our first film threw a rock in a still pool of water, and the reverberations, concerning the marriage of man and machine, radiated outward for many years. This is a conversation worth having. The new film explores the same theme. In fact the new one goes very deep into emotional territory about the impact this process has on a human. I would hope that a continuing exploration, after we are all gone, would continue, with another remake of ROBOCOP, ten, twenty, thirty years hence. If BATMAN is the angry orphan, and SUPERMAN is the extra-terrestrial castaway, ROBOCOP is the character who explores the marriage of human and machine, which includes the dystopian ills all of that entails.



Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:  Miner and Neumeier.


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vegasrobo

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:47 pm



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Know Ed do ya?


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WeKilledYou

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 pm



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:
Man, I thought the same thing. I tried my hardest to be positive about it, six is the highest I'll go at this point(only one viewing). And even then, after I see it again I'm sure I'll lower my rating. There's no way in hell would I consider that movie a perfect 10.


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Sin_Valor

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:59 pm



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:

If someone thought the remake was a "masterpiece" compared to the original, could you legally call them brain-dead?


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beer

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:27 am



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:

If someone thought the remake was a "masterpiece" compared to the original, could you legally call them brain-dead?


Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?....   :lol: Miner and Neumeier.


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Stan The Man

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:00 am



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Miner and Neumeier consider Miner and Neumeier a masterpiece, Miner and Neumeier Miner and Neumeier

FU_STAR_K.

And yes, that's how beer's posts look to me.. :roll:

Back to topic, again I want another watch but right now my official vote would be a 5. 

I might give it a 6 but I'd have to agree that might be generous. I think 'Fair' or 'Decent' or 'Above Average' would have been better there than 'Interesting', and like WKY I might call it decent or above average in that regard, but certainly not any higher at this point.

And while I might be able to see 'Excellent' votes, anyone who thinks this film is a 'Masterpiece' is someone who clearly has not watched many films and has little to no idea of what a cinematic masterpiece is, that is plain true without the original RoboCop even entering into it.. Bah.


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RoboFan_93

Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:21 am



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I went ahead with a "7". It wasn't what I was hoping to see, but it also wasn't the really really bad movie I was expecting to see.
It certainly has pacing problems, the action scenes need work and many elements feel a bit rushed... but as a whole, I thought it was a solid movie and one I wouldn't mind being called "RoboCop". I don't hate them for making it (which is what usually happenes with me and remakes/reboots etc).
I felt it stayed true to the general idea of RoboCop and gave it a new, interesting twist.
Think of it as an "Elseworlds" comic book. It's not the one true version of the character, but an interesting interpretation nonetheless.

I've only seen it once so far, but I was really excited and on the edge of my seat. It was great to finally see a RoboCop movie on the big screen (considering I didn't catch any of the originals in theatres).


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Sin_Valor

Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:15 am



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I know this has been said a lot of times, but you can't always trust the critics on what's a good film or not. I mean if you ask me, sometimes companies or distributors pay certain critics to give it a very good score like an 8 or 9 out of 10. It's the same thing with video games journalism too, they give highly anticipated games a 9 or a 10 out of 10, not because they think it's worth buying, but they're advertising to you and persuading you to buy it, so they can please the people who made and developed the movie/game and get them more profit. 

I know it seems obvious for critics to tell you to go watch/buy this or that or not because they said so, but sometimes if you do listen to critics...chances are whatever you were hoping for doesn't live up to the hype and anticipation or it kind of does but not quite.


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OCP-001

Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:10 am



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It's been some time since I read something from the user "saasouza". He really was into this movie, I'm interested to know what he thinks about the film.
And what about you Paddy?


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LuanaTF

Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:56 am



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I voted 'Good' because, I wrote in my mini-review, they could have done a better job with the material at hand. PG-13 is no excuse for holes and gaps in a story (and 13 year olds are not stupid, for sure). ;)


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kodatarule

Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:37 am



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Going back to 2012 when I saw the black armor - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK U U RUINED MY CHILDHOOD HERO !!!!!!!!!! ,a couple of days later ok robocop is not about the suit just dont fuck story and everything.
2013 - first trailer landed - well looks good I hope they are just showing parts of the movie and keeping everything for the final version.Second trailer ok this gets promising though this is weaker trailer,3rd trailer with some epic music OK THIS MOVIE WILL BE GREAT.
2014 - january watched some documentary about the remake and thought it will be great movie,read lots and lots of reviews saying the movie is great and actually one of the very very few remakes done right.Mainly positive reviews now and only real hardcore hardcore hardcore original fans not liking.
Finally went to see the new robocop movie.......wait for it......OK I don't know what to feel was it a great movie or not(that was the question I asked when I saw it),slept and the other day said THAT IS HOW YOU REMAKE A CLASSIC.Watched it second time in cinema with friends who like the original,said it is great remake.Today I got a CAM copy to watch it again and yes I stay on my opinion great remake! Can't get out of my head I fought the law! :D


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RoboHell

Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:44 pm



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Who the F*ck consider's this a masterpiece?.... :lol:

Briziilans...that's who!


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Stan The Man

Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:41 pm



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It's been some time since I read something from the user "saasouza". He really was into this movie, I'm interested to know what he thinks about the film.
And what about you Paddy?

Paddy hasn't made a review yet? For shame!

As for Seasouza, him and Raymond were both REALLY pro-remake. I too would be interested hearing their views, Ray's particularly as he at least he made involved opinions, even if most of them were speculative tripe. :roll:  But I fear they have been chased away long ago, and while it would be interesting to hear their takes, I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

read lots and lots of reviews saying the movie is great and actually one of the very very few remakes done right.Mainly positive reviews now and only real hardcore hardcore hardcore original fans not liking.

I don't know what you read.. but I haven't seen 'lots and lots' of positive reviews, and I don't think many of the negative or skeptical reviews I read were made by 'hardcore hardcore original fans'. :?

Your other statement of 'THIS IS HOW YOU REMAKE A CLASSIC' would imply that the remake actually improved on the original. While it wasn't that bad a film, that just plain isn't the case, like it just plain isn't a 'masterpiece' in terms of a film - both of those are only true to somebody who has an underdeveloped sense of both film remakes and masterpieces. Your opinions are your opinions and you're entitled to them but I will say here and now outside of you I've yet to see anyone actually say, much less allude to anything of that sort, even ones who did like the movie.


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kodatarule

Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:59 pm



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It's been some time since I read something from the user "saasouza". He really was into this movie, I'm interested to know what he thinks about the film.
And what about you Paddy?

Paddy hasn't made a review yet? For shame!

As for Seasouza, him and Raymond were both REALLY pro-remake. I too would be interested hearing their views, Ray's particularly as he at least he made involved opinions, even if most of them were speculative tripe. :roll:  But I fear they have been chased away long ago, and while it would be interesting to hear their takes, I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

read lots and lots of reviews saying the movie is great and actually one of the very very few remakes done right.Mainly positive reviews now and only real hardcore hardcore hardcore original fans not liking.

I don't know what you read.. but I haven't seen 'lots and lots' of positive reviews, and I don't think many of the negative or skeptical reviews I read were made by 'hardcore hardcore original fans'. :?

Your other statement of 'THIS IS HOW YOU REMAKE A CLASSIC' would imply that the remake actually improved on the original. While it wasn't that bad a film, that just plain isn't the case, like it just plain isn't a 'masterpiece' in terms of a film - both of those are only true to somebody who has an underdeveloped sense of both film remakes and masterpieces. Your opinions are your opinions and you're entitled to them but I will say here and now outside of you I've yet to see anyone actually say, much less allude to anything of that sort, even ones who did like the movie.
Let me give you than http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/RoboCop-review-Cautionary-and-personal-5224724.php so here you are.


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RoboHell

Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:11 pm



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One guys review makes it a classic?

As RoboCop's wife, Abbie Cornish carries much of the movie's emotion

Really?

And Michael Keaton, as the greedy president of Omnicorp, gives the audience something to root against.

I didn't know he was a bad guy until the very end.


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KidGoesWild

Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:25 pm



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Its not bad, but absolutely nothing unique or outstanding. Let me say this, if there had been no Robocop prior to this and I wouldn't know anything about this movie, if it was on HBO and I caught it and start watching, Id surely stay till the end, it would grab my attention enough. But I wouldn't get it on DVD or become some diehard fan, thats absolutely sure



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Stan The Man

Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:26 pm



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Let me give you than http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/RoboCop-review-Cautionary-and-personal-5224724.php so here you are.

One review is not my definition of 'lots of lots' but nevertheless, never once did I actually see written, much less even read into it, that the remake was an improvement on the original, or a cinematic masterpiece. In fact all I really see behind the bullshit is an opinion that the remake is a good film, which is not what I was arguing.

Bah. All told, it's just opinions, you and me can have 'em any way we want. So if you think the film's a masterpiece and perfect remake, great. I in-turn will think you're full of shit. Still great. And on and on we go..


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kodatarule

Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:16 pm



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Its not bad, but absolutely nothing unique or outstanding. Let me say this, if there had been no Robocop prior to this and I wouldn't know anything about this movie, if it was on HBO and I caught it and start watching, Id surely stay till the end, it would grab my attention enough. But I wouldn't get it on DVD or become some diehard fan, thats absolutely sure
 
I didn't become a die hard fan.I still love the old robo more(idk if we get a sequel or a game my opinion may change but depends on a lot of stuff). I was only stating that the movie is pretty good and I didnt find any skeptical or bad reviews of the movie to be solid.They only mentioned that they don't like the movie but not stating why.Different people different opinions. I gave the movie 10/10 because when I judge a movie I judge like this - 0/10 I hate the movie 5/10 it is mediocre which is good to kill time 10/10 I like/love the movie!
I very rarely give a 9/10 for a movie I like.So don't judge my rating system if u don't like it you probably have different so yeah.


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josephchoi

Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:38 pm



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i wouldn't say this is how you do remake, but i did feel it was on the right track.


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Rick

Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:13 am



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I actually didn't intend on writing a full review, but if I do decide to, I would need to see the film again, as I fear my judgement may have been clouded by the fact that I was just so damn excited to be watching a new RoboCop movie the first time around and there are things I may have misjudged, missed altogether or gave the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think I could add anything more though to what most people have said already. The film has some good points, some bad points and overall I'd rate it probably a 6.5/10. Seeing it again may change this figure though, up or down. It's not fantastic, but I don't think it is as terrible as some make it out to be.


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Sin_Valor

Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:07 am



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Honestly, if they were going to make a remake of RoboCop, there should've been a better draft of the script and they should've got a director that really understood the story and the characters and the series too. Honestly, I thought that Padilha got the gist of the story...but not in full detail or the meaning behind it all.


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Stan The Man

Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:40 pm



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Again, I can't blame Padhila that much - he had as good an idea about the original's meaning and making a stamp on that as anyone, possibly even better than some. Not entirely his fault if he got hamstrung.

And Paddy, I'm actually in the same boat as you, I too want to get another view of the thing before I make a full-on everything and anything take on it. That said, I think you are just about spot-on though.


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Sin_Valor

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:48 am



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Well I can't just blame MGM again. They're already screwing up a lot of things for us already.  :|


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TheVindicator

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:13 am



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Yeah...I'm in the minority. I gave it less than a 3. I just didn't care for the remake at all. I thought it failed on all fronts. It was so BORING. And the differences it made imo were useless for the most part. I thought it was the same movie as the original with a crappy lead actor playing RoboCop, a PG-13 rating, A lame tame tone, satire that wasn't funny at all, a screenplay that was dumb as a box of rocks, action sequences that were so short and fully of shaky cam that they registered zero emotion whatsoever, a terrible score, piss poor song choices, and a all around mess of a film that ceased to please me in anyway. 

It's fine if people like it. I don't, and It is the worst film of the year so far for me bar none. The only film I think could be worse this year is Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I won't even buy the DVD or Blu Ray of this movie for a dollar.


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Sin_Valor

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:57 am



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To be fair, some song choices had some reason behind them...while some just didn't. Like Hocus Pocus for instance, I didn't get why they used that song for the training scene and what purpose it served...it just felt weird. Then there's songs like If I Only Had a Heart, which I can see why they'd play that because Mattox always refers to Robo as 'tin man', but it also doesn't make sense because during the scene where Murphy's being disassembled...he still has a heart! There's also I Fought The Law which plays during the end credits, which I'm guessing is supposed to represent how Murphy and Morton tried to fight or rebel against Omnicorp and OCP...but in the end, OCP stops them anyways and they have their own way with Morton and possibly Murphy...I think.

But all that aside, I still think the movie's just dumb.


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TheVindicator

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:08 am



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I fought the law is such a stupid song to put at the end credits..just listen to the lyrics..

"I fought the law..and the law won."

So RoboCop lost? 

What a moronic choice of end credits music.

During the training scenes instead of Wizard of Oz music and Hocus Pocus..Use the unaltered unedited RoboCop theme by Basil Poledoris. 

Problem Solved. 

Make the film a hard R, jam it full of thrilling action sequences that aren't cut so choppy and with so much shaky cam, get Karl Urban under the helmet, and made the Dredd sequel that hollywood wouldn't do in the form of a new RoboCop movie. Now that would be bad ass. At least in my opinion anyway.


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Sin_Valor

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:11 am



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I fought the law is such a stupid song to put at the end credits..just listen to the lyrics..

"I fought the law..and the law won."

So RoboCop lost? 

What a moronic choice of end credits music.

Like I said, Murphy and Norton are like protestors against Omnicorp and OCP, the corporations, but they don't listen to the protestors or they block them entirely. The idea I think they're getting at, as well as the song, is no matter how hard you rebel against corporations, or the government or any organisation, they just won't change or they simply don't care about how they affect you. 

Think of Murphy and Morton as a rebellion and they want to revolt OCP and their ways with military weapons and technology, but OCP just doesn't care and they wipe out the rebellion anyways. Raymond Sellars, the CEO of Omnicorp, doesn't care about Murphy and that he may never see his family again because he's too busy thinking about profits, business and the safety of Detroit and the whole world. Morton and Murphy try to change OCP for the better but they just can't. It's almost like a way of saying 'that's life'. Hence the meaning of the song choice and the remake's conclusion.

But then again...that's just my theory.


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TheVindicator

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Yeah well..in my opinion you are way over thinking why they put the song at the end credits. Knowing how dumb and heavyhanded this script is..the producers probably just saw that the song had law in it and called it a day. 

At least that's my thoughts on it. I mean they put a song with freaking yodeling in it during an action scene. As well as "If I Only Had A Heart" the people who were behind the making of this movie in my honest opinion had no idea what the hell they were doing. 

I mean there is one scene while Robo is riding the bike he stole from Judge Dredd where you can see the canadian flag waving in the background. Way to ruin the illusion of Toronto being Detroit...filmmakers.

It's cool if people are fans of this. I just thought it didn't work most of the time and when it did it didn't leave much of an impression. 

But then again i'm just a hater..lol


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Sin_Valor

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:09 am



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Well I'm doing my best to explain why they did this and that throughout the remake in own words and thoughts, even though the film overall was just plain shit, which is something we can agree on.

Also, I didn't know the remake was filmed in Toronto, so there's that. :b


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CAIN MKII

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Junko

Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:15 am



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Well, I went to see the remake for the second time last night.
It's time to vote the rating!
At the first time, it was 7.5/10.
Then, the second time, I give it a 6.5/10.
Yes, I lowered my rating. :b 
I even fell asleep a little bit while I was watching... OMG :| 
I am going to write the review in detail on another thread later. :wink:


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ChAnOoD

Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:15 pm



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 As well as "If I Only Had A Heart" the people who were behind the making of this movie in my honest opinion had no idea what the hell they were doing. 

That tune is the one who make me smile, due to Oldmanīs reaction to the song. "Hocus Pocus" and "I Fought The Law", nah. I would expect a big music finale on the credits, but no. Letīs do a rock song, kids would love it.

To make things worse, Iīve seen an interview with Pedro Bromfman where he says he didnīt want to recreate the BIG score to the first one because this movie needed to keep everything "calm" and without a lot of emotion on it, and thatīs why he didnīt go wild with the orchestra and did this (crappy) quiet, noisy soundtrack.

Bravo.

I even fell asleep a little bit while I was watching... OMG :| 

I feel bored in a lot of scenes as well  :roll:


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BurnOne4Robo

Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:09 pm



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I thought the Tin Man jabs and the "If I only had a Heart" song playing during that scene were actually one of the better parts of the film.  As for the end credits song, just adds more fuel to the argument that they really wanted to make Robocop MGM"s Ironman.


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wasoha

Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:58 pm



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The poll average right now on RobocopArchive with 50 votes is a 7. 
The poll average on SuperHeroHype with 74 votes is a 7.3. 
The average audience rating on RottenTomatoes with over 93,000 votes is a 7.2 out of 10 (3.6/5).
The rating on IMDB with over 31,000 votes is 6.7.

I think we can confidently say that the audience consensus is a 7 out of 10.


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ChAnOoD

Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:57 am



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As for the end credits song, just adds more fuel to the argument that they really wanted to make Robocop MGM"s Ironman.

Yes, "Hocus Pocus" did that to me. The training scene looked like a Marvel movie.


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Sin_Valor

Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:05 am



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As for the end credits song, just adds more fuel to the argument that they really wanted to make Robocop MGM"s Ironman.

Yes, "Hocus Pocus" did that to me. The training scene looked like a Marvel movie.

I know RoboCop isn't supposed to be a superhero...and he never will. But yeah, I thought they played the whole film like it was a superhero movie...and it wasn't even released around July.


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kodatarule

Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:30 pm



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As for the end credits song, just adds more fuel to the argument that they really wanted to make Robocop MGM"s Ironman.

Yes, "Hocus Pocus" did that to me. The training scene looked like a Marvel movie.

I know RoboCop isn't supposed to be a superhero...and he never will. But yeah, I thought they played the whole film like it was a superhero movie...and it wasn't even released around July.
Yeah,but the blood and the brain made some pretty stuff to make him not be a superhero so I thought it was pretty solid sci fi with only a hero but not a superhero.Everyone has different opinion.I thought this one is successfull enough to reboot the franchise now if they make a great video game ... which I really am hoping for would be really good.Because Crysis trilogy proved that a guy can take bullets be like walking tank and still have a very challenging game.


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Sin_Valor

Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:45 pm



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As for the end credits song, just adds more fuel to the argument that they really wanted to make Robocop MGM"s Ironman.

Yes, "Hocus Pocus" did that to me. The training scene looked like a Marvel movie.

I know RoboCop isn't supposed to be a superhero...and he never will. But yeah, I thought they played the whole film like it was a superhero movie...and it wasn't even released around July.
Yeah,but the blood and the brain made some pretty stuff to make him not be a superhero so I thought it was pretty solid sci fi with only a hero but not a superhero.Everyone has different opinion.I thought this one is successfull enough to reboot the franchise now if they make a great video game ... which I really am hoping for would be really good.Because Crysis trilogy proved that a guy can take bullets be like walking tank and still have a very challenging game.

How is that even related to this? RoboCop is a movie and Crysis is a game, they're both completely different  formats. What matters in RoboCop is just the story and how it plays out, what matters in Crysis is how good the gameplay is. Comparing the two feels irrelevant. Also, there's already a video game-tie in with the remake, it's on iOS and Android.


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HOB888

Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:38 pm



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Very bad movie.


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Stan The Man

Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:44 pm



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Most ridiculous remake ever, deserves zero, made Robocop3 good.

Bah, that was harsh. And not exactly accurate either ('Most ridiculous remake ever', right). But perhaps that's just me though. :roll:


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josephchoi

Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:34 am



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I find it hard to take anyone's opinion seriously when they say "most (anything) ever".


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HOB888

Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:14 am



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Most ridiculous remake ever, deserves zero, made Robocop3 good.

Bah, that was harsh. And not exactly accurate either ('Most ridiculous remake ever', right). But perhaps that's just me though. :roll:

I mean it.In my humble opinion most remakes are lame, but this one takes the cake.Before i watched it, i knew it was going to suck, but they managed to disappoint me.Even the MGM little introduction sucked.

Ergo, it's the Most ridiculous remake ever.

I find it hard to take anyone's opinion seriously when they say "most (anything) ever". 

It's because most of the time these people are not serious.I'm dead serious.


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Stan The Man

Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:31 am



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I find it hard to take anyone seriously when they have to say they're being serious. :b

And with that, we are now at the point where it should be said that if you're looking for things to disappoint you, you'll never be disappointed. And since you long ago decided to be disappointed with the remake and think poorly of it, you're disappointed with it now. You got exactly what you were wanting and expecting. Congratulations.

At least I got what real disappointment I had with the film only after watching it, thanks to having a somewhat open mind going in. Sure I had previously thought poorly of some things but I always held out the possibility the thing might actually be good or even great up 'til watching it. But again, guess that's me.

That said, up until now I hadn't voted, as I wanted to see the film again, but fuck it, just gonna go ahead and vote. Hell we can always make a second poll topic later and see if anything's changed.. actually that might be a good idea.. Bah, anyway, I give a vote of 6. It was mediocre overall, but there were interesting bits and I can see the good in it so that bumps it up bit, but thats about it - I can't really call it actually good under how I judge films, at the very least not without a second and closer examination. I want to think better of it but I doubt it'll happen with a second viewing. Might think even less of it seeing it again.. In conclusion, a 6.


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BurnOne4Robo

Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:59 pm



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Most ridiculous remake ever, deserves zero, made Robocop3 good.

Made Robocop 3 look good?  Credibility = Zero.  NOTHING makes Robocop 3 watchable.  Nothing!


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Josh

Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:22 pm



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It wasn't a terrible remake, just average.

Christ, if you think Total Recall is better you need your head checked.


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Rick

Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:15 pm



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I haven't seen the new Total Recall, but anywhere it is mentioned on any film forum I read, it gets nothing but negative comments. I kinda want to watch it now just to experience the utter crapness...!


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artuditu

Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:09 pm



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Well, we have 60 votes and one month has passed. 

7 is definitely the average rating among robofans. 

IMDB rating has been 6,7 since almost the beginning despite the total number of votes rising to 40.000 votes.

My personal feeling is this wasn't a bad remake, far from the disasters of R3 or Total Recall 2012, it was actually a decent movie, but it will probably get forgotten very fast.


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RoboFan_93

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:22 pm



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Well, we have 60 votes and one month has passed. 

7 is definitely the average rating among robofans. 

IMDB rating has been 6,7 since almost the beginning despite the total number of votes rising to 40.000 votes.

My personal feeling is this wasn't a bad remake, far from the disasters of R3 or Total Recall 2012, it was actually a decent movie, but it will probably get forgotten very fast.

It will be forgotten if they don't do a sequel... And somehow, I doubt they will. It had potential and it did a fairly good job. Heck, my sister, who never cared much for the original, liked it and because of it, is now willing to give the old ones another chance.


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ChAnOoD

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:00 pm



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It will probably get forgotten very fast.

Well, we forget it pretty quickly, as we had a big time with topics about the reboot and now the things are fading away. Same with people outside the Archive. Iīve seen some movement on social networks, but now no one remembers the film. 

I still thing the movie doesnīt add anything interesting except a few (undeveloped) themes, so thatīd be the reason it didnīt have an impact on people.


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Stan The Man

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:05 pm



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Decent, could have been much worse, not likely to be remembered much. Yeah, that's about right.


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WeKilledYou

Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:27 am



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I haven't seen the new Total Recall, but anywhere it is mentioned on any film forum I read, it gets nothing but negative comments. I kinda want to watch it now just to experience the utter crapness...!
There aren't many things that I liked about it, plus I saw the directors cut, so it was even longer. It really just dragged along, and mainly I couldn't get behind the casting choices or the way things were written in general. The Robocop remake was a bit more acceptable on my part.


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lord_zedd

Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:42 pm



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To be honest with you guys, even though I had some issues with some music choices (That crappy music used when robo engages 60 Em-208 was awful, though that scene was awesome, imagine how much better it would be if they had used an extended version of the awesome Robocop theme song they used in the title card ) I mostly liked the direction this reboot .

When it was announced that it was gonna be PG-13 I really feared for this movie , even more when It was revealed that robo was gonna be able to fire tazer bullets, it looked like this was gonna be another disaster like terminator Salvation ( where a total of 1 person dies in the entire movie, and it's just an extra ) thankfully the film wasn't shy about killing people, even when It felt weird seeing the new robo shooting people without blood, it was okay in some scenes, but just wrong when robo shoots 30 rounds into Vallon and his body doesn't rip to pieces, those are some small bullets.

Still, I think it can be seen that while we got a good film , it could had been an awesome film if it wasn't for MGM keeping so much control over the production ( Why the fuck would you hire Jose Padilha , and not let him make any choices?that's like hiring Tim Burton to do a Barney The dinosaur movie) and that damn rating.

Also if they ever make a sequel, they better replace that fucking tazer with a godamm auto 9


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kodatarule

Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:43 pm



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To be honest with you guys, even though I had some issues with some music choices (That crappy music used when robo engages 60 Em-208 was awful, though that scene was awesome, imagine how much better it would be if they had used an extended version of the awesome Robocop theme song they used in the title card ) I mostly liked the direction this reboot .

When it was announced that it was gonna be PG-13 I really feared for this movie , even more when It was revealed that robo was gonna be able to fire tazer bullets, it looked like this was gonna be another disaster like terminator Salvation ( where a total of 1 person dies in the entire movie, and it's just an extra ) thankfully the film wasn't shy about killing people, even when It felt weird seeing the new robo shooting people without blood, it was okay in some scenes, but just wrong when robo shoots 30 rounds into Vallon and his body doesn't rip to pieces, those are some small bullets.

Still, I think it can be seen that while we got a good film , it could had been an awesome film if it wasn't for MGM keeping so much control over the production ( Why the fuck would you hire Jose Padilha , and not let him make any choices?that's like hiring Tim Burton to do a Barney The dinosaur movie) and that damn rating.

Also if they ever make a sequel, they better replace that fucking tazer with a godamm auto 9
I agree with you mate the film was really good just hope MGM/Sony didn't bitch so much and let Padilha do his thing...Anyway I was surprised when robo beat the crap out of vallon from his bullets but still nothing on him like WTF ... Sometimes I imagine 20+ more minutes robo getting thugs before going to the end and we see way more blood out of them and stuff like that cause we see some disturbing dip shit about his body when his suit is removed but no blood ahhh god damn studios. Well waiting to see extended cut that sounds like where the other 10 to 25 mins went to when they cut it ... and I hope we have opportunity for different ending would like to see a little more freedom of what Jose wanted :) ! Oh and where did my favorite pistol of all time auto 9 went to I mean it would be so damn cool if he didnt have smgs but two auto 9 that would have been great ! :)


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artuditu

Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:17 pm



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Almost 3 months since my last recap. 

Last time IMDB rating was 6,7 with 40.000 votes.

Now IMDB rating is 6,4 with 91.000 votes. 

I did some maths and if I'm not too rusty this is what I get: 6,1 average for the last 51.000 votes.

Looks like dvd/blu-ray releases may be increasing number of viewers but definitely not improving the film's reputation.


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JimWantsAliens

Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:53 pm



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If you took away all the people who rated it 1-star on IMDb without seeing it, you'd have a more accurate score.


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Stan The Man

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:08 am



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If you took away all the people who rated it 1-star on IMDb without seeing it, you'd have a more accurate score.

I'm sure there's people who voted it high or perfect for no other reason than to counter those who voted 1, whether they indeed saw it or not. That door swings both ways. Cut the crap.

I find, quite frankly, that the IMDB rating is pretty good to go on since it tallies fairly close with our average here on RA - Keep in mind our numbers are fudged a scant bit since we don't have a 1 or 2 ranking, just 3 and lower. In any event, I'm pretty damn sure no one on here voted without seeing it, so I don't wanna hear that jibe in regards to us (never-mind that I don't wanna hear it anyway).

Bottom-line, you love the movie. That's fine. Just remember no one else has to. That's how it is, yo.


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RoboPimp

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:20 am



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I gave it a high five but I still don't think it's nearly half as good as the original.


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Archive

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:25 pm



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If you took away all the people who rated it 1-star on IMDb without seeing it, you'd have a more accurate score.

Well, if we took away all those that rated it 10 stars before or after seeing the movie we would get an even more accurate score.

RoboCop2014 doesn't deserve a 1-star rating. Very few movies do. But it doesn't deserve a 10 rating either. Both are equally as ridiculous.


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artuditu

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:33 pm



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Actually I think it's more plausible to have MGM/Sony Pictures employees (including their international offices) having their IMDB account to vote 10 to all films they release. They could easily gather hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of votes that way.

I've always found IMDB ratings specially high for blockbusters. I mean let's be realistic, if your box-office depended on IMDB ratings you could easily invest some little money to get it higher, at least 1 point but maybe more, there would be plenty of ways to do it.


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Archive

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:39 pm



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It is an interesting thought. Naturally, if I were a crew member or anyone involved with a movie I would naturally vote up "my" movie out of loyalty. It is probably more common than we think.

Then we of course get to the other side of the coin where the same crew people probably down vote their competing blockbuster movies.


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artuditu

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:45 pm



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Yeah, I thought about that too, but none of the studios would win if they did that, yet letting all ratings go higher is no harmful to the industry as a whole. Also IMDB probably would detect a very abnormal number of 10's and 1's, but a higher number of 10's gets better diluted.

It's just a theory, you can call it a conspiracy theory ;-)

The fact is, for me, most blockbusters have ridiculously high ratings in IMDB, movies averaging way over 7 while consensus is they totally suck. It's even more blatant in the first weeks of release.


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Meriandressial

Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:10 am



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I voted masterpiece. Its absolutely awesome,and better than the old one in every way. :)

The 87 one is awesome too. But the reboot is better.


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ChAnOoD

Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:47 am



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I voted masterpiece. Its absolutely awesome,and better than the old one in every way. :)

The 87 one is awesome too. But the reboot is better.

I agree. The old one is cheesy, over the top, doesnīt make any sense, tries to get smart with religious themes and had slow robots. 




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Bauc

Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:08 pm



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I voted masterpiece. Its absolutely awesome,and better than the old one in every way. :)

The 87 one is awesome too. But the reboot is better.

I agree. The old one is cheesy, over the top, doesnīt make any sense, tries to get smart with religious themes and had slow robots. 




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I think we've found two surviving members from Clarance's gang who hate Robo87 - arrest them! :D


BTW the Robbercop 2014 can not even be mentioned in the same conversation with the original film....just saying


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ChAnOoD

Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:17 pm



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I think we've found two surviving members from Clarance's gang who hate Robo87 - arrest them! :D


BTW the Robbercop 2014 can not even be mentioned in the same conversation with the original film....just saying

RubberCop should have never made, in my opinion. The "Robo 87" thoughts was irony  :wink:


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Bauc

Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:02 pm



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I think we've found two surviving members from Clarance's gang who hate Robo87 - arrest them! :D


BTW the Robbercop 2014 can not even be mentioned in the same conversation with the original film....just saying

RubberCop should have never made, in my opinion. The "Robo 87" thoughts was irony  :wink:

understood loud and clear this time :D


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JimWantsAliens

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:20 pm



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I'd say there's a good argument for the reboot being a better film.

It's not my opinion but I'd say there's an argument for it.


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Archive

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:45 pm



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I'd say there's a good argument for the reboot being a better film.

It's not my opinion but I'd say there's an argument for it.

I have yet to hear this good argument. 
It is a matter of opinion of course, but breaking it down I don't see how Robo2014 is in any way a "better" movie. 

The soundtrack is not better. Nor is the acting or the characters. The camera work, structure and direction is certainly not better. Naturally the visual CG effects and all that are better, but that is about it.

But sure, Robo2014 has better and larger plot holes if that works...   :|


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artuditu

Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:04 pm



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Well, sadly I meet an increasing amount of people that "hate" to watch old films, and yes I said old, anything from the 80's or 90's is old for them. 

And I'm not talking about teenagers, but people in their thirties who obviously never developed in the past a big passion for films, but still they can consume a big amount of new and recent cinema. For these any film old enough to have actors they don't know (and you would be shocked, actors like Robert DeNiro would enter that cathegory), to have non CGI special effects, or just to feel and look old (cars, costumes, technology, etc.) are just painful to watch. They just don't see the point, they cannot talk with friends and colleagues about old films and actors, that's not cool.

These creatures can watch a remake like "Carrie" and find it interesting, but will never watch the original film from the 70's. Never. And again you would be surprised how many they are.


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Archive

Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:35 pm



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I don't think the opinions of those casual movie goers really matter all that much. I'm first and foremost interested in the opinion of people that love movies as a hobby or an art form. People have to be able to analyse the structure and plot of a movie in greater details than just "it was cool." It's a similar thing with music, games or even rollercoasters. There are people that are passionate about certain things and then there are casual people who just don't have a clue or even care. They just like to look at the pretty colors or dance to the fattest beats.

Speaking as guy that is passionate about movies and has seen a lot of them, there is no scenario where RoboCop 2014 is a great movie. It just has too many flaws on too many levels for it to work out.

It is perfectly OK to like or love it, I have many guilty pleasure movies such as the absolutely awful "Highlander2", but again, there is no scenario where RoboCop 2014 is a great movie. For someone to even hint that it is better than RoboCop 1987 is just outing one self as completely clueless when it comes to movies.


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ChAnOoD

Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:27 pm



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It is perfectly OK to like or love it, I have many guilty pleasure movies such as the absolutely awful "Highlander2", but again, there is no scenario where RoboCop 2014 is a great movie. For someone to even hint that it is better than RoboCop 1987 is just outing one self as completely clueless when it comes to movies.

Could be possible that people gave up on Hollywood films? Because it seems some people get happy with poor made movies. I see people faint for all those big blockbusters. I wonīt say the 100% of these films are crap, but they look the same. Big explosions. Big destruction. Big CGI effects. Thatīs all.

I remember when I came from RoboCop (2014) some fans of the original said that the reboot was some kind of masterpiece. Canīt understand that, except that one of those fans is a young one, and could be impressed easily. 

I talked with a friend about the reboot as well, she saw it some weeks ago, and she fell asleep at half of the movie. She said that she couldnīt relate to the character like in the original, and get bored with this version.


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JimWantsAliens

Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:46 pm



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Not really.  A lot of people love the new movie.  They just don't spend all day on internet forums slagging it off.

Nothing personal against anyone here, but as a fan of RoboCop since seeing the original on VHS 24 years ago, I'm kind of sick and depressed of the hate the movie's been getting by some people who I seriously question their motives.

It's like the constant bullshit rumour - YES BULLSHIT - about Padhila.  Someone spread a rumour about him falling out with the execs early on.  He said it wasn't true.  But still now, you're all gonna reply with your theories as to why that's incorrect, because obviously you'd know more about Padhila's opinions than Padhila himself.

I feel quite ashamed to be a RoboCop fan sometimes.  Until I watch the 2014 movie again, and I go, 'This is fucking awesome.'

Don't like it?  Go and talk about the original all day.


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artuditu

Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:10 pm



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I don't think you should misfire any frustration and anger to the fans. The underperforming box-office (especially poor in the US) and the low imdb 6.4 rating are the reason why this film has not succeed. If you know "a lot" of people who loved it I can tell you according to those numbers that many more did not, and they don't even know who Jose Padilha is so they could care less about any fight with executive producers (and in fact those rumours try always to exonerate Padilha from all the films flaws and holes, so even if untrue they are just the opposite to bullshitting him).


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Archive

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:31 am



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Nothing personal against anyone here, but as a fan of RoboCop since seeing the original on VHS 24 years ago, I'm kind of sick and depressed of the hate the movie's been getting by some people who I seriously question their motives.

I like Robo2014. I honestly don't hate it and enjoy it for what it is. Just like I enjoy RoboCop2 although that is also a very flawed movie. I like it DESPITE of its many flaws, but I am aware of them.

RoboCop2014 has a lot of problems, in script and execution. We can't be in denial about that. Calling it a masterpiece in cinematic history just doesn't work. It doesn't compare to similar movies that have much more thought and SKILL put into them.

A perfect example is ending the movie on a low point with "the Novak element" instead of the highpoint that is the doors closing on the family reunion. A bad and almost amateurish mistake.


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Stan The Man

Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:01 pm



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Bah, has to be this kind of thing when I'm off the net for a couple days (stupid modem and latency issues..) Anyway, Archive has said it all, he's said it before, as have I and numerous others who enjoy and appreciate film - The new RoboCop film does not compare to the original, nor is it a cinematic masterpiece in general. 

Make your claims and observations all you want but the fact of the matter is it is a mediocre film, especially when comparing to other true masterpiece films even within just my lifetime, let alone for the last half century or so. It does not enter into that upper level of films, and it certainly provides no real improvement over the original. It has differences and new slants, but nothing that I can consider an 'improvement' for the most part. As Archive aptly stated, most of it's major elements are inferior. And as he also said, if there is a good argument for the remakeboot being a truly better film overall than the 1987 RoboCop, I too have yet to see it.

RoboCop 2014 may be a 'masterpiece' to those ignorants that artuditu mentions, people who by choice fail to appreciate older movies despite their greatness and are ready to fork over their wages for such 'amazing' hyperactive effects-laden things as the new Transformers film but for people like me, Archive, artu and most of the rest of us that are fans of movies, who love films and have watched countless examples made all over the place in regards to date, the remake just doesn't register as something to be highly-regarded. Plain and simple.

Anyone who really thinks this new film is 'better in every way' than the original is such an ignorant fool, clueless, a cretin with such a severely flawed perspective in regards to both cinema and this particular franchise that their opinions are worthless for any critical analysis. Insulting? Absolutely, but I'm calling it like I see it. And if it isn't that, then it must be trolling, still worthless.

Not really. A lot of people love the new movie. They just don't spend all day on internet forums slagging it off.

Nothing personal against anyone here, but as a fan of RoboCop since seeing the original on VHS 24 years ago, I'm kind of sick and depressed of the hate the movie's been getting by some people who I seriously question their motives.

I feel quite ashamed to be a RoboCop fan sometimes. Until I watch the 2014 movie again, and I go, 'This is fucking awesome.'

Don't like it? Go and talk about the original all day. 

As it's been pointed out, if there really are a 'lot' of people who love the movie, I ain't seein' them. Otherwise, I think outside of many of us wanting something better than we got, and the disappointment resulting from that, there are no ulterior motives here, and if there are, I haven't seen 'em. Artuditu said it, and several of us went over this same crap with that Arrofa asshole ages ago in the 'Box Office' thread - The reason the film is not well-regarded and gets shit on has little if absolutely nothing to do with blind hating by fans, and even if it is, that's not the case here, so your ire in regards to us is pointless. It's not as if there's no reason at all to actually despise the new film, but no one on here has stated their dislike of R2014 just for the hell of it. In any event, in regards to this discussion board, we have just as much right to talk about the remake as anyone, regardless of whether our remarks are not so positive or to a particular person's liking. You may be tired of the negativity (and I agree, it gets a bit much even for me sometimes, and I hardly love the new film), but you don't think we get sick when we see comments saying the remake is a masterpiece and is better than the original? Just saying that the door swings both ways here.

That said, though I have said this before, I, like Archive, do NOT hate the new film. I do NOT think it's the worst piece of cinema ever made. I DO believe it's decent, watchable, not too bad. But I do NOT think it's good, either - It is flawed and has serious problems. Despite these problems I can look past them and accept the film to an extent but I will not ignore them or shove them aside, nor will I attempt to purport this thing as a masterpiece when it plainly isn't or say it's better than the original when it's not. THAT is bullshit, too.

Anyway, you stated that while the argument can be made it wasn't one you'd make, nor was it a feeling you shared, so I don't mean to jump down your throat Jim - I get you're just trying to play devils advocate here and all that. But for someone who really thinks this new film is better than the original, and in doing so is more-or-less is pissing on the original film, all when it's painfully evident that it is just not true, there's no defense, no valid argument I can see that can support that.


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Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:14 pm



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Are we going back to this again..?..Lets be clear the Remake was garbage slow as hell and about as exciting as a fuckin' root canal..Coming on here and proclaiming the excellence of 2014 is simply trolling..You can love t all you want I love some terrible films myself "Megaforce" but I can be real with myself and admit its a shit film..


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ChAnOoD

Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:23 pm



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Not really.  A lot of people love the new movie.  They just don't spend all day on internet forums slagging it off.

I havenīt seen a lot of people loving the film either. Iīve seen opinions from "itīs crap" to "itīs ok". But I only knew two people who loved the film. The same kind of people who adore "Man of Steel", just to say it was "shit" some weeks after they watch it.

Iīd assume most of the lovers of the reboot would be kids/teenagers who love videogames. Nothing bad here, itīs fine to like videogames, but I donīt play them. The action in this film looks like a videogame (the POV shooting, Robo Vs ED-209). 

Itīs not the crappiest film ever (and I like some crappy films as well), but it fails as an original film (a lot of people pointed that it has its problems about structure and ideas popping here and there), and gets worse if you compare it to RoboCop. 

Hell, I love -almost- every Robothing made, but this is not the RoboCop I knew. People could say "thatīs the point", but when you go as far as changing his origin, his design and his personality, it lacks the "spirit" of the original character. And I think theyīd get a better response from audiences if they called it "CyberDetective" or something like that. People would think itīs an ok film, and fans of the character wouldnīt shit on it.


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RoboDemise

Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:53 pm



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What is the point in posting if it just gets edited out? :ohdear:


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kodatarule

Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:22 pm



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Whoah - I just came back sorry for the weeks and probably month out.
I see you guys start arguing the movie again.Well to me it's a 7.5/10 movie.I enjoyed it.It was fun,sleek and sometimes very nice to look at(the silver suit).I don't think it is a true masterpiece I liked it as much as the original.I know that if you check some pages on this topic you will see me saying something I didn't mean and was blinded by seeing a new robocop movie.
What I do hope - the sequel to become captain america the winter soldier improvement in every single way and telling a great story.Also I would like Robo using either 1 Auto-9 or 2 Auto-9's I don't like the idea of him using a taser and SMG.
The original is a true masterpiece and can't be outbeaten and it is still my favorite movie.The re-make isn't that high level of movies,but it ain't crap,it ain't mediocre as well it is just good-ok movie that delivers some fun.


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AlexMurphy

Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:56 pm



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A perfect example is ending the movie on a low point with "the Novak element" instead of the highpoint that is the doors closing on the family reunion. A bad and almost amateurish mistake.

I just kept thinking to myself so many of the scenes could have restructed to at least mirror what made the orignal such a great film. 

For example, the reveal of Murphy being turned into RoboCop could been done so much better. In the original film, we don't actually see his fully body when he wakes up, it's slowly revealed to us as the scene progresses. Here, before Murphy wakes up we already see what's become. No suprise for the the audience. He's dreaming, they cut back to real life and we see he has the RoboCop body. 

They could have done this much more creatively by angling the scene so that you only see Murphy's head. And when he wakes up from the dream, the camera zooms in on his face as everything turns back to normal and when Norton let's Murphy gain movment again, we then see his body. 

Granted the situation for both of them is different as Murphy retains his memory but still we lose that "holy shit" what hapenned factor soley because they showed us everything too quickly.


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artuditu

Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:12 pm



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40,000 more people voted in IMDB (an increase of 50%) since last time I checked back in June. Rating is stable now, it just went down a decimal to 6.3

Metacritic scores 52% (the original 1987 film is 67%).

Rotten Tomatoes shows 48% (the original 88%).

What about you guys? Would you change your vote after all these months? I feel most fans here have become increasingly critical with the remake.

I still haven't watched it for a second time but right now I would still keep my 6 out of 10 vote. Interesting approach with dynamic directing but big screenplay flaws.


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Stan The Man

Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:03 pm



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40,000 more people voted in IMDB (an increase of 50%) since last time I checked back in June. Rating is stable now, it just went down a decimal to 6.3

Metacritic scores 52% (the original 1987 film is 67%).

Rotten Tomatoes shows 48% (the original 88%).

What about you guys? Would you change your vote after all these months? I feel most fans here have become increasingly critical with the remake.

I still haven't watched it for a second time but right now I would still keep my 6 out of 10 vote. Interesting approach with dynamic directing but big screenplay flaws.

I've watched it only twice. I fear more will make a lower rating rather than higher, perhaps not but lets just say I'm not in a huge hurry to watch it again.. Still gonna stick with my 6 rating also.


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RoboPimp

Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:33 pm



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I've watched it only twice. I fear more will make a lower rating rather than higher, perhaps not but lets just say I'm not in a huge hurry to watch it again...

Yeah, I've only seen the shitty in theater bootleg so far. I do plan on seeing it again, but, like, maybe a few years from now once I've forgotten about it enough...because like Stan, I can't ever see myself liking it more on repeated viewings...it simply doesn't have the necessary depth.


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Bauc

Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:23 am



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I tired to watch it for a second time.....I've ended up jumping scenes  from one to another and the whole experience lasted no more than 20-25 minutes, therefore I'm not planning to watch it again any time soon....maybe not in this decade :D


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Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:34 am



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I think I gave it a 7 originally. I'd probably give it a 5 or a 6 now depending on my mood. Having let the excitement of it all die down for a while, I can give a more objective opinion now and whilst it does have some moments and ideas, the film really isn't that great and I can't say I'd be in a huge rush to watch it myself any time soon.


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RoboFan_93

Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:23 pm



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I think I gave it a 7 originally. I'd probably give it a 5 or a 6 now depending on my mood. Having let the excitement of it all die down for a while, I can give a more objective opinion now and whilst it does have some moments and ideas, the film really isn't that great and I can't say I'd be in a huge rush to watch it myself any time soon.

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it.


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artuditu

Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:47 pm



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Another (surprising) statistical detail I just realized and I don't know how to think or feel about it... 

According to imdb Robocop (1987) and Robocop (2014) would have been watched (voted really) by the same amount of people!

RoboCop (1987) 157,187 votes
RoboCop (2014) 154,117 votes

How is it possible that a famous and highly praised sci-fi/action classic film from 25 years ago has the same number of votes as its poorly received remake from just 1 year ago!? 

Maybe the original Robo is not as famous as we assumed? Or just younger generations (and Chinese?) vote more today? Maybe just a lot of people watched RoboCop 2014 (not at theaters, definitely)? Or just few people care about the 1987 film today? Or maybe it's all put together...


Just to compare:

Conan the Barbarian (1982) &#8206;102,891 votes
Conan the Barbarian (2011) &#8206;76,448 votes

Total Recall (1990) &#8206;212,420 votes
Total Recall (2012) &#8206;181,702 votes

The Thing (1982) 218,702 votes
The Thing (2011) 84,317 votes

Predator (1987) 256,161 votes
Predators (2010) 155,262 votes

The Terminator (1984) 495,423 votes
Terminator Salvation (2009) 248,146 votes

Die Hard (1988) 506,231 votes
A Good Day to Die Hard (2013) 146,249 votes

Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) &#8206;557,851 votes
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008) 289,545 votes


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Stan The Man

Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:33 pm



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RoboCop is certainly still something more of a 'cult' film, and not really something I have, either before or now, considered really 'famous', definitely not in comparison to Arnie films, Die Hard, Indy and the like. Those movies are huge. RoboCop never did and to me, likely never will, compare to those, for a number of reasons.

That said, I think it's mostly a case of more younger people voting on more recent shit, they see it these days and can immediately vote or comment on it on the net - Older films, unless they're real popular, don't get quite that same consideration. And by popular I mean still well-exhibited - RoboCop still is not something well in the public eye. The reboot put it out there a bit more but that was fleeting; in the overall spectrum there may be only a marginal increase in awareness of the original. 

Furthermore, RoboCop has another handicap in terms of exposure - Certain movies and/or sets of movies never seen to be exhibited much on home media in terms of access (never see DVDs/Blu-Rays of them in stores most times and it isn't on streaming media too much) nor on TV (even high-cable channels). RoboCop, and indeed the majority of Verhoeven films for that matter, definitely fall into that for the most part. Why I don't fuckin' know but I think it may be something that factors in.

Despite all of that, I'm rather glad of our 'cult' status, I feel a lot of the power and allure of what the film is, was, and forever will be would be diminished in some way if it was more popular. While the movie has something in there that almost anyone can find that they enjoy or are intrigued by, The movie really isn't for everyone, at least I never thought so.


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Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:57 pm



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^Despite being a cult film, word of mouth and merchandising did wonders for the series (well, mainly the first). I only recently watched the film in its entirety, but I remember RoboCop being a big name when growing up in the 90s.

On the topic of the reboot, it never "clicked" with me. It seemed to have the full Hollywood treatment, but I was never enthralled in it like I was the original. I give them points for re-imagining the concept, but it just seemed like the characters weren't as memorable (which was HUGE in the original).


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artuditu

Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:47 pm



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2 years since the last update.

40,000 more votes on IMDB (totalling 190,000)
6.2/10 rating (another decimal down)

Also interesting, 1987 film has also added 40,000 more votes, so they are still almost tied.


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Fummelcop

Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:55 pm



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I think I voted 8 at the time. Have watched it around 15 times and I'd still give it a 7.5 maybe. 
I don't ever compare it to the original though.
It's definitely one of the better remakes.


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vegasrobo

Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:41 am



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Compared to what?..


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Fummelcop

Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:00 pm



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Total recall, nightmare on Elm Street, or Turtles for example.


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Stan The Man

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:08 pm



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Total recall, nightmare on Elm Street, or Turtles for example.

Even if is a better remake than those (debatable indeed) that ain't sayin' much in that crowd. Like saying blueberry flavored shit is better than cherry flavored. Still shit either way. 

I still don't see it being good leaning to very good as you've voted it. Didn't then, and don't now. If anything I too myself would at this point downgrade my vote a half point as well. Given I gave it a 6 and that was being quite generous - I didn't find it actually 'interesting' as proffered just maybe a tad better than mediocre - That would make it 5.5 would for me would be much more honest. Mediocre, maybe leaning to fair or 'interesting' on some level.


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Fummelcop

Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:43 am



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I like it better, because it is RoboCop flavoured shit.
To me, this is the third best RoboCop movie/show.
It's not really a good movie and the design of the armor, 
especially the unmasked head sucks, but when you are a 
fan of an old 80's movie character, you can't be too picky.


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Stan The Man

Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:07 am



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I like it better, because it is RoboCop flavoured shit.
To me, this is the third best RoboCop movie/show.
It's not really a good movie and the design of the armor, 
especially the unmasked head sucks, but when you are a 
fan of an old 80's movie character, you can't be too picky.

You say it ain't really good (to which I agree) but give it a 'good' to 'very good' level vote - Bah. 

That said, sorry if wanting something (particularly something that deigns to call itself 'RoboCop') isn't a completely souless no-impact mostly mediocre load of crap is being 'picky'. Whatever.


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Fummelcop

Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:49 pm



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I didn't rate this compared to other movies, but as a RoboCop movie.
So if R1 is a 10, R2 is a 9, R3 is a 1, then this movie is above 7.
It has some cool scenes, like the intro, or when murphy dreams of dancing with his wife just before they wake him up in his new body.
I also liked the Lewis character to a degree. I liked some of the fight scenes.
What I didn't like was that, despite whatever the hell their budget was, most of the actors make this seem almost like a b- movie.

All in all, compared to other robo movie/shows it's sad to say, but this is above average.


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Stan The Man

Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:39 pm



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I didn't rate this compared to other movies, but as a RoboCop movie.
So if R1 is a 10, R2 is a 9, R3 is a 1, then this movie is above 7.

Bah, the remake doesn't merit a 7+ out of 10 (which is still a 'good' vote, not 'above average' - the latter of which is still overgenerous) - Not as a film period, not as a remake, and especially not as a piece of RoboCop media. It's about as average as it gets all around.. ok maybe it merits a bit more in terms of most modern remakes but then again as noted most remakes today suck donkey scrotum so its not saying much. 

That said, R3 has a good few more spots in it than the remake - and most people who despise R3 would agree - yet you give it only a 1? Seriously? Only piece of Robo media that deserves that score is PD (I wonder what rating you'd give it in your 'Robo scale', BTW..) I wouldn't even rate Frank Miller's comic that low on a bad day (wouldn't be much higher than that though). Bottom-line, the remake is not better than R3, certainly not by 6+ points. Ridiculous. This coming from someone who also doesn't so much care for R3 even so I'd take it way over RemakeCop as my 'Robo flavored shit' any day of the week.

Again though, whatever.


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Fummelcop

Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:02 pm



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Fair point. R3 is 0.1 better than PD. So 1.1 on scale from 1 to 10.
Different people, different preferences I guess, but I can watch rebootcop from time to time while R3 or PD or the series give me goosebumps when I think about putting it in the PlayStation.
But as you said, whatever.


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RoboPimp

Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:50 pm



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Fair point. R3 is 0.1 better than PD. So 1.1 on scale from 1 to 10. I can watch rebootcop from time to time while R3 or PD or the series give me goosebumps

Ouch. I love Robocop 3 and have probably watched it the most overall bc there were a few years when I was young that I didn't watch the other two and would watch Robocop 3 all the time. Still love watching it. It's definitely not perfect, but much better than PD and the reboot. For PD, the production values alone make it far superior. For both, Robocop has a much stronger, more unique, and better structured plot arc. Robocop 3 is classic Robo, 'nuff said.


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vegasrobo

Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:06 am



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Word.


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Stan The Man

Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:08 am



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It's definitely not perfect, but much better than PD and the reboot. For PD, the production values alone make it far superior. For both, Robocop has a much stronger, more unique, and better structured plot arc. Robocop 3 is classic Robo, 'nuff said.

Again, I'm not into R3 and even so I have to concur with this assessment here. Classic Robo even in a weaksauce moment trump RebootCop. But end of the day different strokes and all that. Agree to disagree.


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Fummelcop

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:16 am



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@pimp
I saw R1 when I was around 8 or 9 and R3 @ around 11 and even then I thought that this was complete garbage.


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RoboPimp

Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:05 pm



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@pimp
I saw R1 when I was around 8 or 9 and R3 @ around 11 and even then I thought that this was complete garbage.

I was talking about the years when I was like 3-8 that I watched Robocop 3 the most. Maybe I like it so much since I was a kid when I first saw it and it is a kids movie? Either way it is objectively not garbage, therefore your opinion is wrong. Robocop 3 is classic Robo, 'nuff said.


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Fummelcop

Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:52 pm



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That's probably the reason you like it. 
It's like listening to a horrible song when you first make out with a hot Chick.
Your brain will link this song to a positive memory. 
It is still a shitty song though.
If your first encounter with the badass RoboCop suit design was RoboCop 3,
you will more than likely think it is a good movie, while in reality it is a steaming pile of shit ;)


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vegasrobo

Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:57 pm



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@pimp
I saw R1 when I was around 8 or 9 and R3 @ around 11 and even then I thought that this was complete garbage.

I was talking about the years when I was like 3-8 that I watched Robocop 3 the most. Maybe I like it so much since I was a kid when I first saw it and it is a kids movie? Either way it is objectively not garbage, therefore your opinion is wrong. Robocop 3 is classic Robo, 'nuff said.


Man I actually totally agree with Pimp for a change..


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vegasrobo

Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:58 pm



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@pimp
I saw R1 when I was around 8 or 9 and R3 @ around 11 and even then I thought that this was complete garbage.


So at 11 yrs old you didn't like 3?..I find that hard to believe.


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Fummelcop

Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:57 pm



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It is true. I was so excited for it. With the tiny bit of money I had, I bought stupid magazines I had no interest in, just because it had some information about the new RoboCop movie. Then, when I saw it I couldn't believe how bad it was. 
 :ohdear:


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Stan The Man

Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:06 pm



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^ I'm quite skeptical of that claim just like Adam but once more, whatever. Back to point, the remake is still weak - even you Fummel partially agree.

Moving into painfully blunt territory ahead but fuck it - To this day I still wonder just where the hell these 26 assholes that gave this damn thing a 8 or higher vote are. And about 20-odd more with the 7 vote, itself too high for me but maybe I could feature that (and I need to remember that was a generous vote made by some in the hype of it, many would lower those votes now). But still, more than 2 dozen that voted R2014 as 'very good' or better even. Where are they? They're certainly not on here singing it's absolute praises let alone actually discussing anything else Robo. Honestly this poll has always seemed quite sketchy to me - Even if we really had that many folks here and active during the time of the film's release that many sure as shit never posted much of anything outside of mumbling as their lips were firmly wrapped around the remake's limp dick, if that even. 

I'd demand a recount and retaking of this poll except if we did it now there'd be a dozen maybe 15-odd votes on there and I guarantee +60% of said votes wouldn't be 7 or higher like it is here.

Now I don't take pride and/or joy in that we no doubt chased some of those people off (to which you do have my props Fummel for sticking it out on here) but I won't apologize for calling what I see as a turd, well, a turd. But what I'm saying is even elsewhere on FB and the like, remarks in favor of the remake still are quite uncommon. Again, I really ain't seeing the justification for so many high votes for this thing. Bah.

In closing, thanks to artu for posting the IMDB results - Clearly shows Robo2014 has slowly but surely lowered as time's gone on, and the ~6 rating there  (as well as what it averages here in spite of those ridiculously high votes) is what I feel is accurate.


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vegasrobo

Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:22 pm



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It is true. I was so excited for it. With the tiny bit of money I had, I bought stupid magazines I had no interest in, just because it had some information about the new RoboCop movie. Then, when I saw it I couldn't believe how bad it was. 
 :ohdear:

Ah I'm not buying that....No one at that young an age is that critical of film..You must be way advanced for your age then.


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Fummelcop

Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:40 pm



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I wasn't like analyzing the movie for plotholes or anything. 
Ever since I saw R1 I was hooked, because of his badass armor and how he was basically bulletproof. One day our teacher asked us about  our dream jobs later in life, I shit you not, I said: I want to be a cop so someone can shoot me dead so I can be turned into RoboCop.
Aaanyways, when I saw R3 it was nothing like that badass justice enforcer. R3 was a punk. Even his movement was weak.
I'm not even talking about that stupid gun arm or his jetpack or how weak the effect seemed.
One of the worst parts of the movie(apart from Robo not being the real Robo) was that annoying girl and her rebel friends.
The Remake is not a good movie, but to me at least, it is a RoboCop movie unlike R3 which is just shit. Not even shit with RoboCop flavor.
@stan
I'm one of those assholes that voted 8. As I said, it's more like a 7 or so now.
And I didn't come here at the time of the Remake, I was here looong before that.
Around the time when that murphy38 bought up all the cool Robo stuff and then sold it to other people.


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RoboPimp

Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:25 am



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@pimp
I saw R1 when I was around 8 or 9 and R3 @ around 11 and even then I thought that this was complete garbage.

I was talking about the years when I was like 3-8 that I watched Robocop 3 the most. Maybe I like it so much since I was a kid when I first saw it and it is a kids movie? Either way it is objectively not garbage, therefore your opinion is wrong. Robocop 3 is classic Robo, 'nuff said.


Man I actually totally agree with Pimp for a change..

 :twisted:


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Stan The Man

Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:44 am



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@stan
I'm one of those assholes that voted 8. As I said, it's more like a 7 or so now.
And I didn't come here at the time of the Remake, I was here looong before that.
Around the time when that murphy38 bought up all the cool Robo stuff and then sold it to other people.

Well you're not so much who I'm talking about then. Even if so, that's one so if you could point me to the other 25 clowns I am talking about, I'll go from there. That said -

One of the worst parts of the movie(apart from Robo not being the real Robo) was that annoying girl and her rebel friends.

The Remake is not a good movie, but to me at least, it is a RoboCop movie unlike R3 which is just shit. Not even shit with RoboCop flavor.

Really? And the remake was more 'real Robo', was it? Well, you're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong. Now you don't care for R3 no problem you're hardly the only one. In any event R3 sucking in its own right does not elevate the remake, end of. With that know that I'd call Burke in Bottin's suit more 'real Robo' than Kinnaman's douchecanoe Murphy in that Batman-IronMan hybrid reject attire any day of the week and I think many more would agree with me, even those that too dislike R3. But again to each their own, even if their own is absurdity.


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RoboWags

Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:25 am



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I've declared my love for R3 many times around the 'ol Archive - it's no secret (still waiting for a R3 Loyal badge, Archive  :wink: ) and I have no shame of it. Everyone's got their own likes and dislikes in the Robo fandom. Do I think R3's story was weak? Yes. Do I think it was cheesy at times? Yes. Do I think it is the weakest of the three? No. I'd rank it about even with R2. Even so, I find many things to like about it and enjoy it for that. You could say it's my guilty Robo pleasure :roll:.

With that being said, let me just say that I saw the reboot in theaters...once. One time. Did I hate it? No. Did I leave the show feeling like I just saw a RoboCop movie? Kind of. Do I own it on DVD or Blu-ray? No. I've had zero interest in watching it again. As many complained about the suit prior to the movie's release, I was one of the ones who were optimistic about how it would turn out but I was disappointed with it in the end (I actually have no issues with the silver suit. I wish they had used it the whole movie.). I found the story for the reboot to be weaker than R3 and Kinnaman's performance was quite forced. The movie just didn't seem to know what it wanted to focus on and gave us a handful of hurried sub-plots which were resolved in a half-ass way. It just doesn't feel like RoboCop - at least not the version we are used to. You want to talk about an absence of RoboCop flavor? The reboot lacked it big time. It's like that bag of dollar store bbq chips that says on the bag that it's bbq but there's so little seasoning on the chips you would have to read the bag to know they are bbq. R3 is like expecting spicy nacho Doritos but getting regular Doritos instead - a milder flavor but either way, you know they are Doritos. Even the Ghostbusters reboot was better than Robo's (that one I actually bought on blu ray) and it had almost just as many problems. Oh Hell... I'm gonna say it folks - brace yourselves - Prime Directives has more RoboCop flavor than the reboot.

Now I'm gonna go get a bag of chips... craving them all of a sudden... :roll:

And Stan, I'm more interested in the 5 who voted the remake a 10...  :|


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I'd say most of the positive grades were from that brazilian guy who claimed the reboot was way better than the original and either his friends or alternate accounts.
The thing with the rebbot and RoboCop 3 is this:
I compare R3 to the original because that is what it claims to be. Robo suit, Anne Lewis, original Ed 209 and so on.
The reboot however is totally different and as I said, I don't compare it to the original. It is it's own thing.
Yeah, it had some annoying lengths, weak acting on some fronts, but at least to me, I had some strong moments too.
I liked black dude Lewis, the fact that Robo was manufactured in China, the starting scene, the Moment when Murphy finally returns home and his son is so excited, but then Murphy has to return to the lab for maintenance. It just moved me to a degree.
I also like how RoboCop was really just a  Trojan horse to get a foot in the door to sell robots in America.
And when that was accomplished they didn't need him anymore and wanted to kill him.
Then the fighting scenes, which I quite enjoyed, like the final test where he takes on 50 of those EM 208s or when he fights multiple ed 209s.

I just like it.


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Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:39 pm



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I'd call Burke in Bottin's suit more 'real Robo' than Kinnaman's douchecanoe Murphy in that Batman-IronMan hybrid reject attire any day of the week and I think many more would agree with me.

You got that right mofo!


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Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:47 pm



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Prime Directives has more RoboCop flavor than the reboot|

I agree with this as well. For all its faults, PD was rooted in Robocop's history and attempted to explore some rarely touched upon aspects of Robocop's history, like his relationship with his son, and even tho it always looked a bit off they got the suit mostly right.


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With that being said, let me just say that I saw the reboot in theaters...once. One time. Did I hate it? No. Did I leave the show feeling like I just saw a RoboCop movie? Kind of. Do I own it on DVD or Blu-ray? No. I've had zero interest in watching it again. As many complained about the suit prior to the movie's release, I was one of the ones who were optimistic about how it would turn out but I was disappointed with it in the end (I actually have no issues with the silver suit. I wish they had used it the whole movie.). I found the story for the reboot to be weaker than R3 and Kinnaman's performance was quite forced. The movie just didn't seem to know what it wanted to focus on and gave us a handful of hurried sub-plots which were resolved in a half-ass way. It just doesn't feel like RoboCop - at least not the version we are used to. You want to talk about an absence of RoboCop flavor? The reboot lacked it big time. It's like that bag of dollar store bbq chips that says on the bag that it's bbq but there's so little seasoning on the chips you would have to read the bag to know they are bbq. R3 is like expecting spicy nacho Doritos but getting regular Doritos instead - a milder flavor but either way, you know they are Doritos. Even the Ghostbusters reboot was better than Robo's (that one I actually bought on blu ray) and it had almost just as many problems. Oh Hell... I'm gonna say it folks - brace yourselves - Prime Directives has more RoboCop flavor than the reboot.

This pretty much nails it about the remake all around. 

..With the exception of that last part. I simply can't allow any inkling PD is better than anything else Robo, yes even the not-so-Robo-ish remake. I will grant yes Prime Directives is traditional RoboCop. But it is also traditional Robo at its utter and absolute worst to a level that still remains irredeemable. So with that I guess I do prefer a moderately sucking not-so-Robo to a thorough and near complete sucking OG Robo. I would watch the remake again.. certainly long before I'd watch PD again, at least.

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