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Nash

Mon May 07, 2007 7:34 am


Robocop Remake possibilities!

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What do you want to see in a Robocop remake?

Discuss!


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murphy38

Mon May 07, 2007 8:27 am



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:mrgreen: The construction of robocop :wink:


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Archive

Mon May 07, 2007 8:33 am



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Preferably a plot that has a cute little kid in it.

And rollerblades. Robo on rollerblades..

 :|


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miamirobo

Mon May 07, 2007 10:42 am



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funny Archive..I would like to see a plot that shows an old Robocop, but things get bad in Detriot and the cops can not handle it so they go to a wharehouse and look for Robo where he has been in hybernation for 20 years and they reactivate him to fix the streets.... :D 
Kind of like Demolition man the Movie with Stallone and Wesley Snipes.
something along those lines but not simular and of course Robo will need a partner ,Lewis's daughter that she had before she died goes to the academy and becomes a cop and they assign her with Murphy to show her about patroling the streets.......


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RoboHell

Mon May 07, 2007 12:00 pm



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Preferably a plot that has a cute little kid in it. 

And rollerblades. Robo on rollerblades.. 


And Ninjas......lots and lots of ninjas :ohdear:


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Kevlar Antelope

Mon May 07, 2007 2:04 pm



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I like the idea of an older robo in a run down delta city...he can still keep going while everyone from the past movies has died.

Sort of a Dark Knight Returns Robo style.


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anticlaus

Mon May 07, 2007 2:59 pm



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anything that takes it back to the tone of the first film.

i don't even mind a re-imagining, so long as it restores the proper elements of social commentary and realism.


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Mephisto

Mon May 07, 2007 5:29 pm



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I like the idea of an older robo in a run down delta city...he can still keep going while everyone from the past movies has died.

Sort of a Dark Knight Returns Robo style.

Yeah, I like that idea man.

After all, RoboCop 2 and The Dark Knight Returns was written by Miller.


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Nika Silwerra

Mon May 07, 2007 6:39 pm



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why just a REMAKE .. they could create a new film ! but also in the remake I want this !! ( althought I think impossible )

hmm I just by a few sentenses 

I wuld like to see and also feel the cool atmosphere from the firts film 

I would like to see there also a nice and good actor as the Robocop yeah the boy again needs a Wellers charisma !! :wink: 

Of course in every of the films and also in the series has the Robocop a nice girl by his side . and I also think this a little hard and cold Robocop character need the woman there! :wink: 

I want again listen in the film so good music as was the from Basil !


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Kevlar Antelope

Mon May 07, 2007 8:37 pm



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I wouldn't classify Weller's acting style as full and or having charisma.  It's different but he's good, he play's robo eally well.


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RoboKasper

Mon May 07, 2007 9:00 pm



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And Ninjas......lots and lots of ninjas :ohdear:

No... The 3rd movie had one or two ninjas too much as far as I remember ;)


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Nika Silwerra

Mon May 07, 2007 9:41 pm



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I wouldn't classify Weller's acting style as full and or having charisma. 

but know you imagine the R1 and R2 without the Weller?! :wink: 

No... The 3rd movie had one or two ninjas too much as far as I remember 

hmm I alwas had the felling that the R3 is a Japan film  :| 

I think the ninjas was not good to the film .. they are so quick and the R3 version of robocop soo slow :ohdear:


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Josh

Mon May 07, 2007 9:54 pm



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I want Robo as an older, outdated, obselete model around in a world that doesnt need or want him. And the kick in the ass is he has his humanity and wants to die...

Oh, and over accessive amounts of blood...


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Sean_001

Mon May 07, 2007 9:55 pm



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It would have to be directed by Fred Dekker...

 :D 



---Sean


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Mephisto

Mon May 07, 2007 11:23 pm



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It would have to be directed by Fred Dekker...

 :D 



---Sean

Shiiiittt.... :roll:


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Kevlar Antelope

Tue May 08, 2007 1:28 am



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I want Robo as an older, outdated, obselete model around in a world that doesnt need or want him. And the kick in the ass is he has his humanity and wants to die...

Oh, and over accessive amounts of blood...

That stands with the dark Knight kinda Robo...It would be cool if it took place in Delta City, like it has already been build and is now infested with crime, there are more advanced "robocops" out there and less and less real human cops.  

he would need to prove somehow that the world and the city still needed robo. :mrgreen:


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Josh

Tue May 08, 2007 8:56 am



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I think that would work.

Delta City gone to ruins, not what OCP planned. Plus a battle with the new Robos (who are bigger but less human)...


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RoboPimp

Wed May 09, 2007 2:11 am



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These all sound like sequel ideas. Really a future delta city, isn't that more of sequel. A remake means re-doing the film, not continuing the story. A remake should be viewable to someone with no prior knowledge of the series.


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Kevlar Antelope

Wed May 09, 2007 2:38 am



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These all sound like sequel ideas. Really a future delta city, isn't that more of sequel. A remake means re-doing the film, not continuing the story. A remake should be viewable to someone with no prior knowledge of the series.

I think a remake of a perfect original is sacreligious and these two words should never be uttered in the same sentence:  RoboCop and Remake.


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Nika Silwerra

Wed May 09, 2007 7:53 pm



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hmm if they will be do a film .. one thing what I am really very curious is  ..."Who will be play the Robocop " hmm maybe the Vigo Mortensen could take it ! :roll:   Hey gang have you any tips for the actor ?!?!


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Josh

Wed May 09, 2007 9:31 pm



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I think a remake of a perfect original is sacreligious and these two words should never be uttered in the same sentence:  RoboCop and Remake.

Agreed. Why would you want to ruin a film that is fine in every way? If the film was majorly flawed then I would say remake it, but the film is perfect the way it is...


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Nika Silwerra

Wed May 09, 2007 10:30 pm



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so in this case they should remake the Robocop3 or also R2

hmm damn I think the folks from the production should sometimes visit this forum !


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Kevlar Antelope

Wed May 09, 2007 11:33 pm



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so in this case they should remake the Robocop3 or also R2

hmm damn I think the folks from the production should sometimes visit this forum !

Not so much as remake of Robo3....but forget it ever existed and kinda just flush it away and pick off right where Robo2 left off, sort of like what TMNT did, except they didn't make 3 go away...but it's a continuity of the story.

We need like a "RoboCop Returns" not in a title but I think we just need a new Robo film to continue story and not act like the first films didn't exist.


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Nash

Thu May 10, 2007 1:41 am



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It's very difficult to do it properly.


For Robocop 2 and 3  it's very simple just ignore the the last two , if they ever want to do a remake of  2 and 3 they can do it with  totally new storylines.  (Two whole new stories)


For Robocop 1 we have 2 options
1 Remake the whole original movie.
2 make a whole new storyline for Robocop 1


I think that a remake is the best thing But with lots of new diifferent things in it.

For Robocop 2 i want to see more of his humanity and that he becomes  Evil because of his traumatised life.



And what about the special effects: i tink they can use a combination of 3 things.

1: a lot of Animatronics i want to see a real ED-209 moving around they can do that with Animatronics.

2:The return of Stop Motion Animation but even better, look what they did with wallace and Gromit and Corps Bride  were both awesome stop motion movies

3:And the use of little CGI. they can use it for his leg holster for an example.


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Kevlar Antelope

Thu May 10, 2007 2:07 am



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I agree with laying off the CGI since it gets ated and looks fake to me.

But the Robo going evil and the remake of the original I'm not so keen on.

I think Robo2 is a good sequel, not great but good.  And should get more respect when talking about brushing it aside to make new sequels.  it will always be the true sequel...Robo3 now that's a different story.


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RoboHell

Thu May 10, 2007 3:08 pm



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1: a lot of Animatronics i want to see a real ED-209 moving around they can do that with Animatronics. 

2:The return of Stop Motion Animation but even better, look what they did with wallace and Gromit and Corps Bride were both awesome stop motion movies 

3:And the use of little CGI. they can use it for his leg holster for an example.

Yes Nash you hit right on the head, to see just a little CGI would be the
way to go, it seems to me that movie's now day's rely on CG to much, they
forget about story and character devlopment, bringing back Animatronics
to the SC-FI genre would be a breath of fresh air for all of us old school guys's who grew up with it.


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Nash

Thu May 10, 2007 3:24 pm



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Check these awesome animatronics. :shock: 

They are using the newest techniques.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dsAo6fJjdY

Would be really cool if they use these techniques in a new Robocop movie for ED-209.


o my god check this one. :shock:  :shock: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpEP-N-9Vec&mode=related&search=


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Josh

Thu May 10, 2007 3:55 pm



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I agree with what was said. Also, CGI could be used to cover up any exposed parts of the suit, such as the underarms or neck...


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Nash

Thu May 10, 2007 4:06 pm



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I agree with what was said. Also, CGI could be used to cover up any exposed parts of the suit, such as the underarms or neck...



exactly CGI for his neck, underarms and his legholster.


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RoboHell

Thu May 10, 2007 5:22 pm



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o my god check this one.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpEP-N-9Vec&mode=related&search=

At 2:25 seconds, can't you just picture 
this scene in a new robo movie, 
the camera paning up on robo's 
leg as the gun holster open's, 
then you can see robo's hand 
take the gun out while the camera 
is still paning up, for a full frame of him aiming the auto-9!! 
im no director but that would look pretty cool.


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RoboBabylonAD

Thu May 10, 2007 5:37 pm



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I like the idea of an older robo in a run down delta city...he can still keep going while everyone from the past movies has died.

Sort of a Dark Knight Returns Robo style.

Yeah, I like that idea man.

After all, RoboCop 2 and The Dark Knight Returns was written by Miller.

As much as I love DKR, keep Miller away from Robocop.

But I do agree with this plot idea a bit. But they should do it in a way that totally ignores Prime Directives.

PD was Robo in 10 years
RC4 will be Robo in 20 years

Making it out to be an anniversary thing is a bad idea. But I would like to see the DKR idea nonetheless.

Like Robo is reactivated to find that OCP finally completed Delta City just to have it go to shit and not turn out at all what it was supposed to be (a nice social comment there on the US as a whole.)

The daughter of Lewis idea sounds a bit cliche though...hmmm...

RB A.D.


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Rick

Thu May 10, 2007 7:22 pm



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I've always thought that what you have just described is something they should have in any new RoboCop production. It would just look so cool and could eaily be done with todays technology and effects. (The leg opening and closing effect that is, not the stuff about resurrecting him and shit.)

Hell, The Series even attempted a scene where he closes his leg up and still does somethingin the same frame at the same time. It looked good enough.

Paddy  :D


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Kevlar Antelope

Thu May 10, 2007 8:53 pm



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They would deactivate him?  Why?  New robocops on the street?  Why would they reactivate him?


Perhaps by accident?


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Josh

Thu May 10, 2007 9:14 pm



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You have a point Kevlar...

If the film was set in 20 years time OCP would have probably created and massed produced newer and more superior versions of Robo, so there is no need to keep him online.

The only way I can think is that they take him offline because of his more human side, the ability to think independantly and make moral judgements (which OCP doesnt want). Then the reason for bringing him back online is that all other attempts at creating a newer model were failures, and went the way of the prototypes in Robo 2...


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Nika Silwerra

Thu May 10, 2007 10:04 pm



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It's very difficult to do it properly.


For Robocop 2 and 3 it's very simple just ignore the the last two , if they ever want to do a remake of 2 and 3 they can do it with totally new storylines. (Two whole new stories)


For Robocop 1 we have 2 options
1 Remake the whole original movie.
2 make a whole new storyline for Robocop 1


I think that a remake is the best thing But with lots of new diifferent things in it.

For Robocop 2 i want to see more of his humanity and that he becomes Evil because of his traumatised life.


 yeah very good nash .. I agree ..The R1 is as a strong rock and on this they should begin to build ..I really doubt about it .. if they created something better as the Verhoevens film ! yeah maybe now we have really cool special effects , but it doest not whole film ..( as the Matrix 3 -- sorry who is fan and many another films )

For Robocop 2 i want to see more of his humanity and that he becomes Evil because of his traumatised life.

yeah and you are not the only one who wants to see this ! althought evil ..
Robocop is one of the most tragical heroes .. so they should shows us more things and scenes from this his  "existential problems ".. is more man or machine ?.. damn in the book from Naha Robocop2 was really more these things !

was really amazing if again the Robocop got to the top places between the new heroes this age as Spider -man , Batmen  Terminator and etc etc  :)


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Kevlar Antelope

Thu May 10, 2007 11:49 pm



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You have a point Kevlar...

If the film was set in 20 years time OCP would have probably created and massed produced newer and more superior versions of Robo, so there is no need to keep him online.

The only way I can think is that they take him offline because of his more human side, the ability to think independantly and make moral judgements (which OCP doesnt want). Then the reason for bringing him back online is that all other attempts at creating a newer model were failures, and went the way of the prototypes in Robo 2...

i got it.  They reactivate him because the new  "advanced" more robotic robocops are going insane and turning on the entire society and killing everyoen going on a rampage so they have no one else to turn to but dust off old robo reactivate him and send out to stop the machines...

How's that for plot point? :mrgreen: 



RoboCop in the near future:

Delta City was constructed where old Detroit once stood and for many years the city thrived.  But everyone knows that a cancer that was once cut out can return, and deep in the shadows it started to grow.  Crime is inevitable it is written into human nature...and no matter what previsions or acts are taken to defeat crime, it will always exist in one form or another.  

Which is why OCP created more advanced “robocops” in extreme numbers to deal with this growing threat.  To OCP, Delta City was not going to go down in history as a failure.  These advanced machines stalked the streets 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.  The first RoboCop model once known as officer Alex J. Murphy was turned offline and stored away in vault for all of time.  His human side was a liability and he was eventually discontinued in use.  Once a cop, then a mechanical hero, was now obsolete, and stored away like a useless thing.
But just as crime was thriving deep in the innards of Delta City, something was happening with the new mechanical cops.  Something deep inside of their circuits was festering.  And six years to the day the first went online they went haywire.  The machines revolted and instead of fighting crime they started to tear the city apart from the insides out.  Delta City became a battle ground.  The futures silver lining was torn, burned, and buried that day.

To fight this growing threat OCP turns to an obsolete model to fight this growing threat of the machines.  But as Robo is reactivated new demons arise for him and not only in the form of nightmares of his past life.  He struggles with the thought of himself being a walking corpse with nothing to live for.  He did not choose this life, but does he even have the ability to choose anymore?  How much is left of Murphy and how much is RoboCop?  Will he defend the city that turned it’s back on him?  Or will the burden of being a aged cyborg combining the brain and other tissue from the corpse of a murdered police officer his fragile human mind, and let the machine take over him completely?


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Josh

Fri May 11, 2007 1:33 pm



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Hmm, thwas quite a good idea and quite a good read...

I'm not sure about the newer machines going haywire by themselves, it seems a bit matrix-like to me. Something like a rouge faction of OCP starts the chaos or terrorists make some kind of virus that gets into the machines...

Or a mixture of the both. The virus makes machines screw up and they infect eachother usinf their own data spikes. But remember, we have to have some humans too shoot aswell or else it turns into a robot free-for-all...


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RoboHell

Fri May 11, 2007 1:57 pm



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Damn Kevlar that was really good,
 you should pen a short script 
but add the points that Duck made. 
Then you would be cooking with gas!! :D


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Kevlar Antelope

Fri May 11, 2007 2:37 pm



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That's a good idea duck I may hafta "borrow" it if I do eventually write something for a new Robo story...I didn't know how the machines would screw up, but the  terrorists of a rogue faction of OCP sounds good, perhaps OCP was loosing money in Delta City...and in order to make money they needed crime.  But with the new machines on the street crime was dying so they decided to infect the new robos with a virus and slowly one by one they infected each other.

And of course the Delta City Police Force would be in there somewhere..I mean humans, but they do he patrolling...that's the whole reason for the new robo cops to take the human element out of the police enforcement.

Or perhaps a terriorist group was backing OCP all along.


I think the dynamic's of Murphy trying to discover who he was in the first film and finally finding his humanity was brilliant.  but I think if they dive deeper into this, and find out what happens you know 20 or 30 years down the line.  Would his face age?  Would his human mind eventually grow old and start to deterorate?  Would his human mind eventually crack and he go crazy.  I mean he was the first of his kind, and the aging process of a half man, half machine would be very interesting....

Tell me what ya think. :mrgreen:


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RoboHell

Fri May 11, 2007 5:25 pm



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I think the dynamic's of Murphy trying to discover who he was in the first film and finally finding his humanity was brilliant. but I think if they dive deeper into this, and find out what happens you know 20 or 30 years down the line. Would his face age? Would his human mind eventually grow old and start to deterorate? Would his human mind eventually crack and he go crazy. I mean he was the first of his kind, and the aging process of a half man, half machine would be very interesting.... 


When i was a kid and saw Robocop for the first time
I can't really explain why i fell in love with the movie,
maybe it was the action or maybe it was the suit I don't know
but as time went on and i got a little older i found that 
my favorite part of the movie was Murphy finding himself,
remembering what happend and who he was.
I found myself feeling sad for what happend to Alex Murphy. 

Now if what you said about diving deeper, finding out what happens to him 20 years down the line i will be hooked for life.
Can a life in solitude with nothing but your memories drive a Cyborg crazy?
Will he age? these are really good question's that i would want answered
in a good portion of a new movie. 
Don't get me wrong i want action, blood and guts, whe whole 9 yards.
 And what about his family, have they learned to live with the fact that
there Husband/Father is now mostly machine? 
Did she ever tell Jimmy that his father was robocop?
The human elimate to this story is just to good.
GOD DAMN I LOVE ROBOCOP!!! :D


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Rick

Fri May 11, 2007 5:25 pm



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No fucking viruses! If Robo PD taught us anything it's that viruses are cheesy and so predictable. Have a malicious OCP employee, maybe Dick Jones' son or Clarence's twin brother (remember him, courtesy of Jyrki?! :D) could be the employee!

But in all seriousness, PLEASE no viruses, or virii if you wanna be technical. (At least I think that's how it's spelt.)

Paddy  :D


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Kevlar Antelope

Fri May 11, 2007 6:06 pm



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No fucking viruses! If Robo PD taught us anything it's that viruses are cheesy and so predictable. Have a malicious OCP employee, maybe Dick Jones' son or Clarence's twin brother (remember him, courtesy of Jyrki?! :D) could be the employee!

But in all seriousness, PLEASE no viruses, or virii if you wanna be technical. (At least I think that's how it's spelt.)

Paddy  :D


Uhhh...I never watched PD because the whole show was cheesy.  But I mean Ternimator did viruses without being cheesy.  That's what infects machines and computer and makes them malfunction.    If you can think of a better plot point to make robocop's go crazy other than a viruse please do tell....

Perhaps it can be written into their programming, as a "directive 4" type thing.  An override insurance by OCP, because crime, blood, sex, drugs, and violence...mean demand for drugs and weapons.  OCP makes weapons...so they make more money when criminals, gangs, etc infest the streets of Delta City.

Perhaps Delta City on the outside was suppose to look like the perfect town.  But perhaps there idea was a free start to infect a new city, new businness, bigger business.  Dick Jones says basically this in Robo1:

"Suit yourself Clarence... But Delta City begins construction in two months. That's two million workers living trailers, that means drugs, gambling, prostition... Virgin territory for the man who knows how to open up new markets... One man could control it all, Clarence...


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Josh

Fri May 11, 2007 10:01 pm



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I think a good idea was that OCP only infected a few machines to start a rise in crime but the technology they possessed ment they learnt to infect others. 

As for Robo, I would have him as human as possible, but in a constant prison. That wouls lead to him questioning his own existance. Is he there for the sake of being there? Also, the fact that the public does not feel the same way as they previously did about him can only lead to him feeling more and more obselete. 

Have a look at MC's drawing of Robo with his Auto-9 to his head, I think it captures the mood perfectly...


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Kevlar Antelope

Fri May 11, 2007 10:22 pm



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I think a good idea was that OCP only infected a few machines to start a rise in crime but the technology they possessed ment they learnt to infect others. 

As for Robo, I would have him as human as possible, but in a constant prison. That wouls lead to him questioning his own existance. Is he there for the sake of being there? Also, the fact that the public does not feel the same way as they previously did about him can only lead to him feeling more and more obselete. 

Have a look at MC's drawing of Robo with his Auto-9 to his head, I think it captures the mood perfectly...

Never saw this picturem where can I find it?

I always thought the idea of him wanting to kill himself because of how he felt was very dynamic.  Could he infact kill himself or is there some written program in where he can't.  The line between human and machine gets blurry alot.


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Josh

Fri May 11, 2007 10:44 pm



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Go on deviantart.com and search for 'RoboCop'.


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Kevlar Antelope

Sat May 12, 2007 5:13 pm



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Go on deviantart.com and search for 'RoboCop'.

Not a bad pic.


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SithLrd0498

Sat May 12, 2007 10:20 pm



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A sequel would be more preferable to me, and one that ignores Robocop 3.  I do like the Demolition Man-style idea that was presented on the first page.  If I were conceive a sequel, this is what I'd like to see:

Delta City in the same condition as Old Detroit only MORE violent.  This would be the result of people getting everything they wanted and living in a self-gratifying Utopia but find it crashing down very suddenly (much like the 1920s and Depression).  The cause would be the financial collapse of OCP, caused by its own greediness.  Because they were used to having everything, the new criminal element of "Old Delta" now takes what they want by any means necessary.

This would continue the themes of excess and banality started in the first film, but now it would add the theme of "What happens when capitalism fails?"  The collapse of OCP would mirror current corporate failings a la Enron.

I like the idea of Robocop being off-line and in storage.  When Delta City finally came about, crime virtually disappeared because all of society's "needs" (aka wants) were met.  Robocop became obsolete, and OCP deactivated him despite the fact that he is still very human in spirit.  The theme here would be about oppression and loss of basic human rights.

It would now be up to Robo to help fix OCP's legacy of bad mistakes and return peace to Delta City, which would likely resemble a society free from the rampant totalitarian capitalism that we saw in Robocop 1 and 2.

The extent to which other old characters should be resurrected should be limited only to Robo and ED-209 (also put in storage due to no crime).  Having Lewis' daughter, granddaughter, whatever would just come off very tacky.  Robocop should find himself in a world that is completely foreign to him, compounding the losses that he's endured.  The only constant for him would be OCP's legacy: Delta City, ED-209, and corruption.

So anyways, that's my take on a Robo-sequel.


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Kevlar Antelope

Mon May 14, 2007 8:50 pm



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I think Robo confronting his grown up son would be interesting...perhaps his son tries to find in after his mother on her death bed tells her son what REALLY happened to his father.  So he tries to bring his father back , and wants to help the Murphy side and human side win out over the machine.

That could be interesting fi done right.


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Josh

Mon May 14, 2007 10:50 pm



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God no. No father son scenes...

They screwed up PD even more...


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Kevlar Antelope

Tue May 15, 2007 12:17 am



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God no. No father son scenes...

They screwed up PD even more...

Once again never watched PD.  I think if done right, it can be good.


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Nika Silwerra

Tue May 15, 2007 8:27 am



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God no. No father son scenes...

They screwed up PD even more...

and why no?! .. I liked the scene in the PD .. but the only one thing what looks strange was .. the Robocop looked so old and small ... and the his son Jimmy was so high ..bigger as the Robocop what really looks strange !

I would like more to see a scene .. Murphy/Robocop + his wife  !  :wink:


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RoboHell

Tue May 15, 2007 12:01 pm



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God no. No father son scenes...

They screwed up PD even more...

and why no?! .. I liked the scene in the PD .. but the only one thing what looks strange was .. the Robocop looked so old and small ... and the his son Jimmy was so high ..bigger as the Robocop what really looks strange !

I would like more to see a scene .. Murphy/Robocop + his wife  !  :wink:

Plus the acting was really, really bad.
I would like to see a father son scene....if done the right way.
remember the episode from the t.v. series where Murphy's dad 
finds out robocop is his son, i thought that turned out pretty good.


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Nika Silwerra

Tue May 15, 2007 2:58 pm



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remember the episode from the t.v. series where Murphy's dad
finds out robocop is his son, i thought that turned out pretty good. 

yeah you certainly think this scene ! :) yeah it was better as PD .. heh in the PD the scene looks as meeting a very young man with his grandpa  :) 

http://genserver.klacno.sk/nika/Russel1.jpg

the Eden played the scene surelly better and also he looked better !


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murphy38

Tue May 15, 2007 3:13 pm



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:mrgreen: thanks my sister for the nice pictures of robocop & the father! :wink:


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Sgt. Reed

Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:20 pm



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I don't wanna remake, I want a sequel!
Kind of a Prime Directives type of plot (no Robocable or a virus or anything),
Robo being obsolete and maybe cryogenially frozen or something. Then brought back for some reason.


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Sgt. Reed

Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:22 pm



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remember the episode from the t.v. series where Murphy's dad
finds out robocop is his son, i thought that turned out pretty good. 

yeah you certainly think this scene ! :) yeah it was better as PD .. heh in the PD the scene looks as meeting a very young man with his grandpa  :) 

http://genserver.klacno.sk/nika/Russel1.jpg

the Eden played the scene surelly better and also he looked better !
One of the best scenes/episodes in the series! Almost made me cry.. :cry:


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Josh

Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:24 pm



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How did the helmet come off if it is screwed directly into Robo?


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Nika Silwerra

Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:39 pm



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One of the best scenes/episodes in the series! Almost made me cry.. Crying or Very sad

yeah but pity that only one good scene ( I hope I am right ) :|


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Sgt. Reed

Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:15 am



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How did the helmet come off if it is screwed directly into Robo?
Maybe the screws broke or whatever?
Hahaha remember in Prime Directives how Fletcher just put the helmet on without the screws in a couple if scenes and it stayed on his head as if the screws were in place. :lol:


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Sgt. Reed

Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:19 am



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One of the best scenes/episodes in the series! Almost made me cry.. Crying or Very sad

yeah but pity that only one good scene ( I hope I am right ) :|
Well the series had it's moments. It was a whole different thing than the first two movies, but it's a hellofalot better than PD!
There were a few decent episodes, but there sure were some bad ones as well! :? 
I personally liked the ones involving Murphys family and the fact that they always nearly found out who he was, but in the end were left guessing.


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serenitysfall

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:52 pm



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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REBOOT OF HIM AND MAYBE A NEW FEMALE PARTNER THAT IS A ROBOT HERSELF


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Stan The Man

Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:32 am



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^ Bah, despite the fact that that statement is kinda silly anyway, that all caps shit has to go - all it does is make you sound more like a loud-mouth dumbass.

Seriously, all it takes is moving your finger 7/16th of an inch from the 'A' key. Try it. :roll:


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Superquad7

Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:51 am



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I hate to come across as a bit of an extremist, and I also don't want to sound like a n00bish, narrow-minded, nostalgic  fanboy, but I feel . . . . 

*snip*I think a remake of a perfect original is sacreligious and these two words should never be uttered in the same sentence:  RoboCop and Remake.
 
 . . . . this way.  The first film is a masterpiece, and I really like the second movie.  However, I still cringe at Robocop 3, and I continue to be a bit uncomfortable about anything made after the second movie.  Yes, much of it has to do with my affinity for Mr. Weller and his work as Robocop.  Robocop doesn't feel like an "everyman" type of character, that say Batman does; Alex Murphy has a lot of specificity to him, and much of that resides with Mr. Weller for me.  The same for Officer Lewis, Sgt. Reed, Johnson, and the list goes on.

That much being said, I also feel that there's not much more to explore with the Robocop story, other than perhaps crime serials or something.  Alex Murphy lost everything when he was murdered.  Done.  He's tough, but not totally invincible.  I've played one too many bad Robocop video games to know that, so check.  There's just not a whole lot a full-fledged movie would offer me, unless all of the ingredients that made the first film were present.

Also (especially with the evolution of media), I don't feel like a movie is the have-to medium here.  I think comics Ghost in the Shell quality animation would be a nice fit as well.

But a total remake of Robocop?  I'll watch it, sure, but it just feels completely unnecessary to me.

I really hope my comments aren't off-putting or come across in ways unintended (see top of post,  :lol: ).  Thanks for allowing me to express my opinions and viewpoints :)

"Waste makes haste. For time is fleeting. A rolling stone is worth two in the bush.

:)"


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Stan The Man

Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:57 pm



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Quoted from myself in the topic The only new thing I think would have the best chance (And even then, it would be pretty slim) would have to be a 'Resurrection' type of story, something that's part sequel and part reinvention, something sort of like the original R2 'Corporate Wars' story. That was crap to do back then because people were expecting a straight sequel, a kind of cookie-cutter film that still had most of the things from the original. That idea, even if they re-worked it, would have just been too radical then. But now, I think an idea like that might work pretty well. After all, that story goes with Robo being blown up, and then brought back in a radically different world - and that's more or less what we got now as compared to the 80s. Many things and elements would be different, the movie would have to take on some different issues. But, there would still have to be some central points from the original in there, some familiar things.

Anyway, that's just some ideas. But if there is something new, I myself think that's how it'd have to go. A full re-invention would be just pointless now ... many of the things that made the original great simply can't be replicated in the world we live in now. And any other idea for a continuation would just be weak, silly and be way past it's time as well.

A few years back, Verhoeven himself talks about a 'Resurrection' kind of story for a sequel/continuation for these times -


He would have to be resurrected, like he was asleep for so many years and they didn't use him anymore and now in this time of terrorism or whatever they would say ok, he can be resurrected again. He would be laying like a mummy in a warehouse basically and.. something like that. I think if you were to do it now you would have to reflect the world we live in now. I would start from scratch and find an innovative story that would satisfy all the people that are basically longing, like me, for a good sequel (chuckles).

Also, I'll refer to my [url=http://www.robocoparchive.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1999]Corporate Wars topic, it touches on this a bit as well.

But, there's my say. I don't care for a full-on 're-invention', and never did. Otherwise, I guess that's it for now.


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Superquad7

Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:49 am



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Quoted from myself in the topic The only new thing I think would have the best chance (And even then, it would be pretty slim) would have to be a 'Resurrection' type of story, something that's part sequel and part reinvention, something sort of like the original R2 'Corporate Wars' story. That was crap to do back then because people were expecting a straight sequel, a kind of cookie-cutter film that still had most of the things from the original. That idea, even if they re-worked it, would have just been too radical then. But now, I think an idea like that might work pretty well. After all, that story goes with Robo being blown up, and then brought back in a radically different world - and that's more or less what we got now as compared to the 80s. Many things and elements would be different, the movie would have to take on some different issues. But, there would still have to be some central points from the original in there, some familiar things.

Anyway, that's just some ideas. But if there is something new, I myself think that's how it'd have to go. A full re-invention would be just pointless now ... many of the things that made the original great simply can't be replicated in the world we live in now. And any other idea for a continuation would just be weak, silly and be way past it's time as well.

A few years back, Verhoeven himself talks about a 'Resurrection' kind of story for a sequel/continuation for these times -


He would have to be resurrected, like he was asleep for so many years and they didn't use him anymore and now in this time of terrorism or whatever they would say ok, he can be resurrected again. He would be laying like a mummy in a warehouse basically and.. something like that. I think if you were to do it now you would have to reflect the world we live in now. I would start from scratch and find an innovative story that would satisfy all the people that are basically longing, like me, for a good sequel (chuckles).

Also, I'll refer to my 

Yeah, I mostly agree with you there, man.  I really think the key things Hollywood doesn't get about Robocop now is that it's quite a bit more ambitious than what it is at face value.  We all here know that Robocop and other things made from it have more to say than "robot good guy blowing things up".  Despite how some feel that the other things following the first film may have some of that, it's really bad now, imo.

A part of me just wants to let Hollywood do their thing and not connect anything from the previous Robocop lore to it just because I feel like they don't "get it", so just don't even try.  I remember my first reaction to seeing the teaser posters was just me rolling my eyes and thinking, "well, I guess Robocop needs remade now, too.  Oh brother."

I am fastly coming to the conclusion that there is no such thing as originality in Hollywood anymore, hence the need to remake ANYTHING that has any nostalgic connection with my generation to simply make a buck.

"I'd buy that for a dollar!" indeed . . . .


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Deus Ex Robo

Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:41 am



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*Edited for clarity on the subject of Michael Bay*
The only new thing I think would have the best chance (And even then, it would be pretty slim) would have to be a 'Resurrection' type of story, something that's part sequel and part reinvention, something sort of like the original R2 'Corporate Wars' story. That was crap to do back then because people were expecting a straight sequel, a kind of cookie-cutter film that still had most of the things from the original. That idea, even if they re-worked it, would have just been too radical then. But now, I think an idea like that might work pretty well. After all, that story goes with Robo being blown up, and then brought back in a radically different world - and that's more or less what we got now as compared to the 80s. Many things and elements would be different, the movie would have to take on some different issues. But, there would still have to be some central points from the original in there, some familiar things.

Anyway, that's just some ideas. But if there is something new, I myself think that's how it'd have to go. A full re-invention would be just pointless now ... many of the things that made the original great simply can't be replicated in the world we live in now. And any other idea for a continuation would just be weak, silly and be way past it's time as well.

A few years back, Verhoeven himself talks about a 'Resurrection' kind of story for a sequel/continuation for these times -


He would have to be resurrected, like he was asleep for so many years and they didn't use him anymore and now in this time of terrorism or whatever they would say ok, he can be resurrected again. He would be laying like a mummy in a warehouse basically and.. something like that. I think if you were to do it now you would have to reflect the world we live in now. I would start from scratch and find an innovative story that would satisfy all the people that are basically longing, like me, for a good sequel (chuckles).

True Stan. Why does everything have to be a straight reboot and deletion of all previous work? I'll never understand Hollywood and their advertising.

Why can't there be an end product that successfully creates a reintroduction without ignoring said "franchise's" history/back story?

I really think Verhoeven's idea hits the right mark. It doesn't discredit the old films and creates an entirely new set of problems for Murphy/Robo. Another thing popular in remakes is making them more modern (like that really adds soooo much more to the story :? ). This idea would definitely hit that mark and maybe even surpass it.

Not only is there unlimited territory for the Man lost in a machine/lost humanity story line, but a whole new dark edge is attached to it now that (in verhoeven's idea) he is years or decades in the future and it's probable that everyone he's gotten to know/love (aka Lewis, Reed, etc) are most likely all dead or very old and retired.

Not only that, but I think that for today's audience who knows nothing of RoboCop, this is a very original idea. I mean really, a movie about an outdated cyborg cop that has been in storage for years. Then suddenly being pulled out of "retirement", most likely upgraded, and then put back into deployment to violently kick criminal ass in a politically correct utopia future. (come to think of it, that's pretty much Demolition Man.:mrgreen: )

You'd have old fans seeing the continuation story of a beloved character and the new fans discovering the awesome-ness of it all for the first time. And with out discrediting the old films, it's more of an incentive for this newer generation to check them out because they actually add more to the new film in terms of a fuller representation of the backstory. 

And after all, isn't that another part in the Hollywood fat cat scheme to remake an old film/franchise? People wanting to rent/buy the original product in anticipation of the new one?

This gives the intentionally ignorant youth of today more incentive to seek out the old films, rather than ride them off as outdated, digital effect lacking, low def attempts at true Michael Bay cinema/art (that being sarcasm).

The problem is, people today are lazier than ever. If it's not handed to them or presented in a way that doesn't require some amount of brain usage, then they want no part of it. No curiosity or possibility of blind leadership can shake them from their narrow perspective. 

"If it's black and white, then I automatically don't want to see it, I don't care how good it is."

or

"I don't care if Coldplay's song 'Talk' is a note for note rip off of Kraftwerk's 'Computer Love', the newer version has a higher production value and was originally mixed and mastered on a digital non analog format. Scientifically proving that it is audibly superior. Plus it just sounds better!"

or

"REDBULL!"


People and industry need to get a fucking reality check.

It's such a damn shame that Verhoeven's idea will never come to fruition. All of the wishful thinking in the world will never amount to anything against the unstoppable, amphetamine pumping, soul crushing, money fueled, rape machine of  Hollywood capitalism.

I guess we'd all better get with the times and stop worrying. Or commit suicide.


"If there is hope, it lies in the proles"


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Stan The Man

Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:26 am



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It's such a damn shame that Verhoeven's idea will never come to fruition. All of the wishful thinking in the world will never amount to anything against the unstoppable, amphetamine pumping, soul crushing, money fueled, rape machine of Hollywood capitalism. 

But they can't stop my dreaming, so in a minuscule and pointless way, I always win, bwahaha! :b

Not only that, but I think that for today's audience who knows nothing of RoboCop, this is a very original idea. I mean really, a movie about an outdated cyborg cop that has been in storage for years. Then suddenly being pulled out of "retirement", most likely upgraded, and then put back into deployment to violently kick criminal ass in a politically correct utopia future. (come to think of it, that's pretty much Demolition Man. :mrgreen:)

If it can work for a cheeser action flick, why not? That kind of thing has been discussed earlier in this topic anyway.

The original Corporate Wars story is just that base idea applied in its own way to the RoboCop world, and can work. But, you all know this stuff from my other topic so I won't repeat myself much more here.

Anyway, Verhoeven already came to that same conclusion about 'the studios just cashing in on what was there' decades ago as we all have read, so it's not like we're hearing anything much new here. 

Still, good points Deus, you pretty much hit it.


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RoboDemise

Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:17 am



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Deus I really hope you were referring to the ignorant youth as the ones seeing and/or thinking "true michael bay's cinema/art". I think that's what you were going for, but it's hard to tell.

Because I know a wood paneling aficionado like yourself couldn't believe this was really art. I'll give, they are visually stunning, but that's about it. Except for The Island, I thought that one was good.


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Deus Ex Robo

Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:45 am



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Anyway, Verhoeven already came to that same conclusion about 'the studios just cashing in on what was there' decades ago as we all have read, so it's not like we're hearing anything much new here. 

Still, good points Deus, you pretty much hit it.

I was going more for the point of:

If it is fact that the "Studios" will maximize any cinematic effort and resulting DVD distribution to it's fullest extent in an effort to reap the most profits from an old franchise.

then

By stripping the cannon from and completely ignoring the previous RoboCop films, they would only hinder their overall monetary intake by ways of not placing importance on the existing products as a way to expand the back story and overall arc of the new film.

Which if done subtly, would not seem like a tired and rehashed sequel to a dead series of movies. A la the Verhoeven idea. (btw, any idea of when he said that about the sequel?)

The old films will probably see an overall rise in DVD sales prior to the release of the "remake" (as the studios/distributors are most likely aware of) but those sales will be less because today's modern film going audience, who is begging to be dead inside at the age of 25, will not be motivated enough to shell out their money for a few 20+ year old films that aren't necessary to watch next to it's "retelling/imagining".


Am I anymore clearer or did I just fully repeat myself with no additional clarity?

And don't worry Demise, Michael Bay needs to have his directing privileges restricted by law. Like you said, he knows how to work well in terms of blocking and shooting for CGI action sequences, but his understanding of human emotion and motivation is child like at best. 

Mass commercial marketing of modern cesspool pop culture references is what he excels at, and that is a part of the reason Americans are exposed to 3000 advertising messages a day, why women are berated with unreachable images of feminine beauty, how talentless studio enhanced musicians of all genres fill stadiums, and why individualism has been replaced with the easy living of filtered popular consensus.

Michael Bay is a cog in a social system that is pushing ever onward towards fascistic image obsession and the eventual end of celebrated originality.

Michael Bay is the opposite of Wood Paneling.

IMHO.


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Stan The Man

Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:49 pm



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So my wood paneling is better than Micheal Bay? Well, like I said, nothing new there. :b

A la the Verhoeven idea. (btw, any idea of when he said that about the sequel?)

The actual quote was probably said some years later (some time after both R2 and R3 came out), because he says he saw 'them', and though he isn't very well-versed in English, I think he's referring to them (R2 & R3) in proper plural so, that's what I figure. Plus he the quotes he talks in a rather retrospective manner, so again, I figure it has to be some time afterward.

Though I'm sure he came to that opinion once he left and they made R2, if not right after that.


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RoboDemise

Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:59 am



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What if you projected a Michael bay movie directly onto the wood paneling? I'm thinkin the movies may seem better.


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Deus Ex Robo

Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:56 am



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Or the paneling would catch fire.

But yes, I think that hypothesis is sound.


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Gadget

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No... The 3rd movie had one or two ninjas too much as far as I remember ;)

There were 4 ninjas technically... and technically they were all the same guy... does that make any fucking sense?  :| 

What do I want to see? Robo. Eating. That. Damn. Rudimentary. Paste. It would answer so many questions after so many years, the least the remake can do is answer how the hell it's done xDD

(the thought just hit me, does Robo ever use the bathroom?

 :? 

forget I said anything...)


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robocop87

Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:56 am



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remake or new film...it's pretty big shoes to fill...I would be more happier with a remake then a new film....atleast with a remake they would be following the same script..I am worried about the casting process....I really hope they don't put some big name in there as robocop hoping people will go just to see the big name...as long as they try to get someone to play robocop that looks like Peter Weller and takes the role seriously....The Robocop Franchise has a massive fanbase and it would suck it they messed it up


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AlexRobo

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:19 am



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I agree.  It's best to get a relative unknown to play Murphy/Robo, maybe a TV actor who has appeared in some big movies as a supporting player.  Or maybe Guy Pearce would be able to do the role justice as he has done some very gritty and quite violent parts in his career.


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robocop87

Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:06 am



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would be nice if they somehow put peter weller in there


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Zentron

Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:47 am



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Yeah, it would be good if they did, possibly in the same capacity that they did with Dirk Benedict in the recent A-Team movie!


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AceAlive1

Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:53 am



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oops....i guess i made a topic that was already, discussed. silly me. sorry bout that :(


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Zentron

Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:29 am



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Well you have been away for a while, so it can't be expected that you would know of all the previous topics!

Nancy would be easy to do a cameo, depending on what roles are available!


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AceAlive1

Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:50 pm



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all living stars from the original robocop movie need cameos. kinda like dawn of the dead tried to do in the remake.


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RoboDave

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:36 pm



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after seeing one of these in person at my local Ford dealer minus graphics on the side and roof bar I think THIS should be Robo's ride ;).

http://i48.tinypic.com/11kulo8.jpg

2013 Ford Police Interceptor aka Ford Taurus, just give it the Detroit Police emblems on the door and add the light bar :).


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kinserfan11

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Dont forget the year the film takes place is 2028 so it is years in future so everything has look like in future NOT 1987 !


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Superquad7

Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:51 pm



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Dont forget the year the film takes place is 2028 so it is years in future so everything has look like in future NOT 1987 !

Depends on the kind of future. I often times like the rugged, retro "used" future look of a lot of sets and props.


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Stan The Man

Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:31 am



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Dont forget the year the film takes place is 2028 so it is years in future so everything has look like in future NOT 1987 !

Bah you brought up a seven year old topic with this? Really? You do know this topic is more about the remake we spitballed about and not really about the remake we got, right? That said, are you trying to imply that because R1 doesn't have a 'set' 'future year' it doesn't and doesn't have to look futuristic? Again, really?

Eh, we'll just skip that for now. Anyway, being frank the remake doesn't look or feel any more 'futuristic' than the original honestly, regardless of what year they purport it to be. If anything it doesn't look or feel very futuristic at all outside of RebootCop and a couple scant bits. Detroit '2028' looks like another city - no neon or fancy structures (nor any seedy rundown forgotten 'Old Detroit', for that matter). The cops look the same as cops today, the cars are just cars of today (or yesterday, rather) with those stupid wheel covers on them. All of which just makes the whole RebootCop part of it feel more forced and artificial rather than less.

Meanwhile the original - which admittedly also doesn't have many 'futuristic' props and setpieces either - still did it better and still feels just a tad out of reach even now. Most of it probably can be chalked up to what SQ7 said.. how it it has a ruggedness and grit to it, more 'fact-of-life' feel and not so shiny and neat and over-designed. But there are some pieces: the police wearing the 'tactical' uniforms, riot helmets and full armor and riding in 'jellybean' shaped cars - none of which was commonplace for cops in the eighties whatsoever. The good part of Detroit does look a tad different, the SUX that is somewhat plausible as a next-gen large barge of a car. Again just some things but they are there there and they are 'futuristic' for its time and more importantly they work and add to the whole rather than take away from it - both then, and even to an extent still now.

Again best I can explain it is that it works because it isn't all that futuristic and what future elements it has seem more grounded. The remake seems like it tries to be 'sort-of' futuristic but it comes off as phony. A tough line to find but R1 found it and the remake took a piss over it. The futurism in R2014 isn't grounded nor is it audacious. I grant maybe they were trying to find that balance like what was in R1.. well unfortunately they didn't. 

In retrospect I'm glad those in the original chose to spend the money on the suit rather than production design for a neat-o advanced cityscape because - the awesomeness of the suit notwithstanding - it could easily have backfired and made the film feel fake and take away from its charm and aura. Though I hardly want everything to be the same as the original, I do hope Blomkamp's film - among other things - has that 'grounded futurism' in it similar to the original Robo.

Finally there's no year set for the original Robo and that is the wiser move. It doesn't limit itself that way and its a stronger film for it. How some things in reality have advanced while other arguably not so much Robo still has that again 'grounded future' feel that makes it possible it can still take place in the 'near future' even now. As for the remake.. 2028 will come and go just as 2019, 2015, etc have come and gone and all the movies with those fixed dates are now as then a tad lesser because of it.

