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ChAnOoD
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  Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:45 am |
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As for de-aging crap, I hope theyīll keep it gritty and avoid the "fancy" CGI for his face. "Rogue One" is a good example of how bad it still looks: both Cushing and Fisherīs characters looks like theyīre from a videogame. Hell, even the so applauded "Blade Runner 2049" de-aging scene looks bad! Yeah, it could pass when the face is still, but the second a character starts to blink or talk, it looks dated for a recent FX.
"RoboCop Returns". Heīs back after tons of years. Let him be old. Also, Iīm not sure Weller would like to go back, so if they recast him (which I think itīll happen) we wouldnīt need to apply FX on his face to make him younger.
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RoboCop 6000
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:54 pm |
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Yea well you have several important point in this matter but, the thing is if you want a real Verhoeven's sequel, this will be probably the way to go sadly but is the truth. As for the CGI is just a suggestion it's not like this will happen like you're assuming up there.
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ChAnOoD
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:58 pm |
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| RoboCop 6000 : | | As for the CGI is just a suggestion it's not like this will happen like you're assuming up there. |
We even are assuming this movie will be made! I like how Blompkamp uses CGI, but I feel innecesary to use the new stuff, specially if you donīt want that movie to look dated on present day. Weller is done with RoboCop, but who knows, maybe $$$$ (and a good script) could make him think about it. When I think of RoboCop, I think of actual actors here and not CGI, specially the weightless, jumpy RebootCop. Iīm sure qualified people could come for a more comfy suit for whoever will play the part, and polish it with the computer if neccesary.
Didnīt want to sound harsh, but I really hope they could make it, and in a satisfactory way for us, the fans. I wouldnīt like to leave the theater walking on a rainy day, with my head down, as it happend with the reboot 
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NukeLord
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:05 am |
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| ChAnOoD : | | RoboCop 6000 : | | As for the CGI is just a suggestion it's not like this will happen like you're assuming up there. |
We even are assuming this movie will be made! I like how Blompkamp uses CGI, but I feel innecesary to use the new stuff, specially if you donīt want that movie to look dated on present day. Weller is done with RoboCop, but who knows, maybe $$$$ (and a good script) could make him think about it. When I think of RoboCop, I think of actual actors here and not CGI, specially the weightless, jumpy RebootCop. Iīm sure qualified people could come for a more comfy suit for whoever will play the part, and polish it with the computer if neccesary.
Didnīt want to sound harsh, but I really hope they could make it, and in a satisfactory way for us, the fans. I wouldnīt like to leave the theater walking on a rainy day, with my head down, as it happend with the reboot |
Weller is extremely disciplined in what he wants to do and it's obvious he will only answer to himself. Blomkamp's only chance to get him back as Robo is if MGM pay him a few million to do it. I don't think he needs the money at 71 years old - but he does have a young kid. If his missus is in his ear "think of it as a money in the bank for our kid"....he might do it. I don't think he'd want to do it. It's the best avenue there is that he would do it again though.
Personally I think it's worth it. The original script had Robo being blown up in the first 10 mins. If Weller could come back for that scene before his face and voice is completely changed for the rest of the movie after reconstruction...I'd be really happy.
Would be epic to see the "Murphy/RoboCop" we know in the opening 10 mins and would make the transition to new actor seamless.
He now walks with a limp...it wont be easy for him. Would LOVE that 10 min cameo though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kvLYWWpSA0
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NukeLord
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:12 am |
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Will double post in that I think the original post is "ready-made" for a pass the torch moment. Weller's RoboCop shows up, takes out the bad guys...then get's destroyed. Screen turns to black. Then the narrative forwards to 30 years later. The face and mechanical voice larynx have been destroyed but the brain is still functioning after reactivation. It's a perfect "pass-the-torch" moment. If Weller can't or won't do the whole movie I hope they offer him good money to film the opening scene. Would be soooooooooooooo epic.
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AlexMurphy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:53 pm |
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| NukeLord : | | Will double post in that I think the original post is "ready-made" for a pass the torch moment. Weller's RoboCop shows up, takes out the bad guys...then get's destroyed. Screen turns to black. Then the narrative forwards to 30 years later. The face and mechanical voice larynx have been destroyed but the brain is still functioning after reactivation. It's a perfect "pass-the-torch" moment. If Weller can't or won't do the whole movie I hope they offer him good money to film the opening scene. Would be soooooooooooooo epic. |
Ugh...rather not. We don't really need a "passing the torch" for RoboCop. I'd rather just have a new actor play RoboCop throughout than getting Weller for an extended cameo.
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OCP-001
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:23 pm |
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Some of you have suggested that Peter should come back as the old man, or make a cameo. I don't think either of those options would work, this new movie is supposed to be the real Robocop sequel, so it would be weird to see the same actor playing another role, it just feels wrong to me, but it's just my opinion.
As for the "de aging" discussion: I'm currently watching "The Last Ship" and Peter is playing brilliantly a bad guy in season 4, he has obviously aged but the shape of his face is pretty much the same as always, yes he has some wrinkles here and there but wouldn't be possible to fix that with practical makeup?
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AlexMurphy
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| OCP-001 : | | As for the "de aging" discussion: I'm currently watching "The Last Ship" and Peter is playing brilliantly a bad guy in season 4, he has obviously aged but the shape of his face is pretty much the same as always, yes he has some wrinkles here and there but wouldn't be possible to fix that with practical makeup? |
Not completely. It'd make the wrinkles less noticable, but they'd still be seen. They would have to use digital touch ups to really de-age properly For Pee-Wee's Big Holiday, they used makeup (basically layering it on so it's white) pins to peel back the skin with digital effects to remove extra wrinkles. It would be a combination of digital and practical.
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JudgeRic0
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:24 pm |
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Just watched Chappie last night (didn't like it but still excited for Blomkamp's involvement so long as someone else is writing).
I'm starting to wonder if Blomkamp will even put whoever he casts as Murphy in a physical suit. Chappie was completely Mo-capped by Sharlto Copley.
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| JudgeRic0 : | | I'm starting to wonder if Blomkamp will even put whoever he casts as Murphy in a physical suit. |
yeah, I would be very surprised if they used an actual physical suit. Doesn't seem very practical or necessary anymore.
In the remake they spend a lot of money on real suits and then added a digital suit over the real suit anyway in a lot of scenes.
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Moon-Vixen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:19 am |
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I wanted to write only that I have more fears than hopes for this film (If it really will be, I will not believe in it until the day when will be the premiere ^^; ). Sometimes it is better to leave what is already good. As it was be with Star Wars (in my opinion, disney destroyed them, but most people now love them much more... *cough, new fans generation*), or how it was be with RebootCop, but it is fortunately only an alternative story.
Generally, in many other movies, sequels, prequels, reboots, after many years, do not go very well.
I dreamed about the day when original RoboCop movie will come back into favor, but now I'm not sure if it's a good idea. I keep my fingers crossed for that my fears will not be true :')
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OCP-001
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:15 pm |
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| Moon-Vixen : | I wanted to write only that I have more fears than hopes for this film (If it really will be, I will not believe in it until the day when will be the premiere ^^; ). Sometimes it is better to leave what is already good. As it was be with Star Wars (in my opinion, disney destroyed them, but most people now love them much more... *cough, new fans generation*), or how it was be with RebootCop, but it is fortunately only an alternative story.
Generally, in many other movies, sequels, prequels, reboots, after many years, do not go very well.
I dreamed about the day when original RoboCop movie will come back into favor, but now I'm not sure if it's a good idea. I keep my fingers crossed for that my fears will not be true :') |
Like you, I'm a bit concerned too of course, but I'm actually very excited that they chose Blomkamp as a director. If you watch his movies it's very clear that he is a big fan of Robocop and that it has been very influential in his work (heck, in Chappie the robots even speak like Peter Weller)
I also think he knows how to show a dystopic sci fi world that fits the Robocop universe. The soundtracks he chooses for his movies are very inspired, and of course, he can direct awesome action sequences.
In a nutshell, I think Blompkamp understands how to portray Robocop and he seems very capable to finally make a proper sequel. Without Verhoeven on board, Blompkamp seems to be the best option available right now.
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| Archive : | | JudgeRic0 : | | I'm starting to wonder if Blomkamp will even put whoever he casts as Murphy in a physical suit. |
yeah, I would be very surprised if they used an actual physical suit. Doesn't seem very practical or necessary anymore.
In the remake they spend a lot of money on real suits and then added a digital suit over the real suit anyway in a lot of scenes. |
I'm hoping they do it like Iron Man where it is all CGI for the action scenes but still have a physical suit in a couple scenes. While I think CGI has come far enough that it wouldn't be bad if it was all digital, it still would be a shame to do Robocop Returns without at least some physical reminder of the legacy of Rob Bottin's design.
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Rick
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:47 pm |
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Will theybe able to get the clunk-iness of the original suit right if it is all CGI? Are we going to have a Robo that can run and jump now, because I really hope not and they keep him as the big, slow, imposing character from Robo 1 that didn't need to do those things to get the job done.
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