RoboCop 2 - What do you dislike about it?

[JimWantsAliens]

Growing up, I never viewed RoboCop 2 as a bad movie. It's a better sequel than Die Hard 2.

I remember feeling the violence was more like horror than the original, but I think that's because R1 has a clever way of juxtaposing the violence and comedy. There are a lot of unpleasant violent deaths in R2 and some brilliant comedy, but they're separated.

The scene where Murphy's wife visits him in the lab was halfway through the comic adaptation (and I'm guessing the script). Verhoeven or Neumeier said Orion always tried to cut the Home scene from R1, but they rightly argued it was the heart of their film. I wonder if the excised graveyard scene in R2 would have gone someway to putting a bit of light back into R2's dark heart.

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Growing up, I never viewed RoboCop 2 as a bad movie. It's a better sequel than Die Hard 2.

I remember feeling the violence was more like horror than the original, but I think that's because R1 has a clever way of juxtaposing the violence and comedy. There are a lot of unpleasant violent deaths in R2 and some brilliant comedy, but they're separated.

The scene where Murphy's wife visits him in the lab was halfway through the comic adaptation (and I'm guessing the script). Verhoeven or Neumeier said Orion always tried to cut the Home scene from R1, but they rightly argued it was the heart of their film. I wonder if the excised graveyard scene in R2 would have gone someway to putting a bit of light back into R2's dark heart.

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Growing up, I never viewed RoboCop 2 as a bad movie. It's a better sequel than Die Hard 2.

I remember feeling the violence was more like horror than the original, but I think that's because R1 has a clever way of juxtaposing the violence and comedy. There are a lot of unpleasant violent deaths in R2 and some brilliant comedy, but they're separated.

The scene where Murphy's wife visits him in the lab was halfway through the comic adaptation (and I'm guessing the script). Verhoeven or Neumeier said Orion always tried to cut the Home scene from R1, but they rightly argued it was the heart of their film. I wonder if the excised graveyard scene in R2 would have gone someway to putting a bit of light back into R2's dark heart.

[Stan The Man]

^ I usually think you're nuts but I'm with ya all the way on that post. I too think the graveyard sequence might have been a good thing in R2 - It at least would've brought Murphy back into the narrative during the time he was in limbo and the movie seemed to have forgotten totally about him for a bit there.

I too never saw R2 as 'bad'. Never. Still don't. 'Not that good' might be the harshest I've ever thought of R2 and that might have been once when I had the flu and I hated everything that day or something.
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^ I usually think you're nuts but I'm with ya all the way on that post. I too think the graveyard sequence might have been a good thing in R2 - It at least would've brought Murphy back into the narrative during the time he was in limbo and the movie seemed to have forgotten totally about him for a bit there.

I too never saw R2 as 'bad'. Never. Still don't. 'Not that good' might be the harshest I've ever thought of R2 and that might have been once when I had the flu and I hated everything that day or something.
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^ I usually think you're nuts but I'm with ya all the way on that post. I too think the graveyard sequence might have been a good thing in R2 - It at least would've brought Murphy back into the narrative during the time he was in limbo and the movie seemed to have forgotten totally about him for a bit there.

I too never saw R2 as 'bad'. Never. Still don't. 'Not that good' might be the harshest I've ever thought of R2 and that might have been once when I had the flu and I hated everything that day or something.
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^ I usually think you're nuts but I'm with ya all the way on that post. I too think the graveyard sequence might have been a good thing in R2 - It at least would've brought Murphy back into the narrative during the time he was in limbo and the movie seemed to have forgotten totally about him for a bit there.

I too never saw R2 as 'bad'. Never. Still don't. 'Not that good' might be the harshest I've ever thought of R2 and that might have been once when I had the flu and I hated everything that day or something.
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[JimWantsAliens]

Haha. Thanks Stan. Don't worry, I'm still nuts.

Sure it has flaws but I think quite a few of those are more criticisms of what COULD have been. (ie. Murphy's wife, Lewis being under-utilised). As it stands, *Emil voice* I like it. I don't find any of the performances bad in the movie. Even Mayor Kuzak who is really annoying - that's the point of him, it's a typical 90s comic relief character. And if you think someone that stupid couldn't become mayor, please Google current London mayor Boris Johnson.

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Haha. Thanks Stan. Don't worry, I'm still nuts.

Sure it has flaws but I think quite a few of those are more criticisms of what COULD have been. (ie. Murphy's wife, Lewis being under-utilised). As it stands, *Emil voice* I like it. I don't find any of the performances bad in the movie. Even Mayor Kuzak who is really annoying - that's the point of him, it's a typical 90s comic relief character. And if you think someone that stupid couldn't become mayor, please Google current London mayor Boris Johnson.

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Haha. Thanks Stan. Don't worry, I'm still nuts.

Sure it has flaws but I think quite a few of those are more criticisms of what COULD have been. (ie. Murphy's wife, Lewis being under-utilised). As it stands, *Emil voice* I like it. I don't find any of the performances bad in the movie. Even Mayor Kuzak who is really annoying - that's the point of him, it's a typical 90s comic relief character. And if you think someone that stupid couldn't become mayor, please Google current London mayor Boris Johnson.

[NOF]

My main problem with R2 is the sequence of events that begin with Murphy driving into River Rouge, and end with him electrocuting himself. There are some powerful moments (as I've stated elsewhere, I find the dismantling scene far more horrific to watch than his death in R1) but a rushed script and bad editing just leave a sour taste in the mouth.

If I was the script writer, I'd have taken one of these two sequence of events (these are just scenarios I've run through my head at various times in my live. Please forgive me):

1 - Faxx meets with Cain about Robo. He agrees to dismantle him for her in exchange for access to OCP's weaponry (an echo of Clarence and Dick Jones in R1). She provides him with the tools and a map of where to dismantle. When asked why, she says that she does not have access to the original plans on building Robo, so she'll need to dissect him (similar to Crimms response in Prime Suspect).

During the dismantling, Murphy flashes back to the conversation with Holzgang and Ellen ("you are simply a machine", "your husband is dead"). As a result, he loses the will to fight back. When in limbo at Faxx's lab, she is warned to get him back on duty. After discussions with the Old Man, they decide to update his prime directives, leaving him incapable of doing his job which would then lead to a recall and the perfect introduction to Robocop 2 ("a year ago, we gave this city Robocop...but things have become a little rougher out there").

Murphy is traumatised by his dismantling and flashes back to it as well as his own death. As a result, Faxx finds it easy to input the commands. After being sent out into the streets, he starts to see an image of himself walking in a graveyard. It's only a two second image, and it leads to little pauses. But he's still the cheerful, clueless robot we see in the final film.

By the time he gets back to Metro North, he's pieced the image together: he's walking to Alex Murphy's headstone. This triggers a rush of memories (Jimmy etc) which allows him to fight the directives. When he comes to, he manipulates the striking officers to go after Cain with him, as he's still fearful that he could be taken apart again. Faxx, seeing that Robo's stronger than he looks, opts for Cain as R2 in order to ensure defeat on Robo.


2 - Faxx is not happy about not getting her way on the R2 project, so she decided to enlist Cain to undermine the head scientist's role in the project. He has chosen a cop simiar to Murphy to be R2, and announces his intentions to test it on the streets of Old Detroit. Similar to the above scenario, Faxx equips Cain and promises OCP's weapons.

The prototype R2 is lured to River Rouge, and destroyed by Cain's gang. The brain is smashed to bits. Murphy and Lewis suspect inside help at OCP, and keep an eye on Faxx.

A second prototype is set up. Beforehand, the Old Man warns the scientist about public image and orders the prototype to be kid friendly. As a result, Faxx's directives are fed into it's brain. Once again, it is destroyed by a combination of the looter kids and the graffiti kids. The head scientist resigns, leaving Faxx in charge.

By this point, Murphy and Lewis have tracked down one of Cain's hideouts, and discovers ample evidence that implicates Faxx and the Old Man. Which then leads to a shoot out with Cain and co.

Throughout it, Murphy is battling the realisation that his brain will slowly disintegrate, leaving him obsolete and open to being replaced by a superior machine.

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My main problem with R2 is the sequence of events that begin with Murphy driving into River Rouge, and end with him electrocuting himself. There are some powerful moments (as I've stated elsewhere, I find the dismantling scene far more horrific to watch than his death in R1) but a rushed script and bad editing just leave a sour taste in the mouth.

If I was the script writer, I'd have taken one of these two sequence of events (these are just scenarios I've run through my head at various times in my live. Please forgive me):

1 - Faxx meets with Cain about Robo. He agrees to dismantle him for her in exchange for access to OCP's weaponry (an echo of Clarence and Dick Jones in R1). She provides him with the tools and a map of where to dismantle. When asked why, she says that she does not have access to the original plans on building Robo, so she'll need to dissect him (similar to Crimms response in Prime Suspect).

During the dismantling, Murphy flashes back to the conversation with Holzgang and Ellen ("you are simply a machine", "your husband is dead"). As a result, he loses the will to fight back. When in limbo at Faxx's lab, she is warned to get him back on duty. After discussions with the Old Man, they decide to update his prime directives, leaving him incapable of doing his job which would then lead to a recall and the perfect introduction to Robocop 2 ("a year ago, we gave this city Robocop...but things have become a little rougher out there").

Murphy is traumatised by his dismantling and flashes back to it as well as his own death. As a result, Faxx finds it easy to input the commands. After being sent out into the streets, he starts to see an image of himself walking in a graveyard. It's only a two second image, and it leads to little pauses. But he's still the cheerful, clueless robot we see in the final film.

By the time he gets back to Metro North, he's pieced the image together: he's walking to Alex Murphy's headstone. This triggers a rush of memories (Jimmy etc) which allows him to fight the directives. When he comes to, he manipulates the striking officers to go after Cain with him, as he's still fearful that he could be taken apart again. Faxx, seeing that Robo's stronger than he looks, opts for Cain as R2 in order to ensure defeat on Robo.


2 - Faxx is not happy about not getting her way on the R2 project, so she decided to enlist Cain to undermine the head scientist's role in the project. He has chosen a cop simiar to Murphy to be R2, and announces his intentions to test it on the streets of Old Detroit. Similar to the above scenario, Faxx equips Cain and promises OCP's weapons.

The prototype R2 is lured to River Rouge, and destroyed by Cain's gang. The brain is smashed to bits. Murphy and Lewis suspect inside help at OCP, and keep an eye on Faxx.

A second prototype is set up. Beforehand, the Old Man warns the scientist about public image and orders the prototype to be kid friendly. As a result, Faxx's directives are fed into it's brain. Once again, it is destroyed by a combination of the looter kids and the graffiti kids. The head scientist resigns, leaving Faxx in charge.

By this point, Murphy and Lewis have tracked down one of Cain's hideouts, and discovers ample evidence that implicates Faxx and the Old Man. Which then leads to a shoot out with Cain and co.

Throughout it, Murphy is battling the realisation that his brain will slowly disintegrate, leaving him obsolete and open to being replaced by a superior machine.

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My main problem with R2 is the sequence of events that begin with Murphy driving into River Rouge, and end with him electrocuting himself. There are some powerful moments (as I've stated elsewhere, I find the dismantling scene far more horrific to watch than his death in R1) but a rushed script and bad editing just leave a sour taste in the mouth.

If I was the script writer, I'd have taken one of these two sequence of events (these are just scenarios I've run through my head at various times in my live. Please forgive me):

1 - Faxx meets with Cain about Robo. He agrees to dismantle him for her in exchange for access to OCP's weaponry (an echo of Clarence and Dick Jones in R1). She provides him with the tools and a map of where to dismantle. When asked why, she says that she does not have access to the original plans on building Robo, so she'll need to dissect him (similar to Crimms response in Prime Suspect).

During the dismantling, Murphy flashes back to the conversation with Holzgang and Ellen ("you are simply a machine", "your husband is dead"). As a result, he loses the will to fight back. When in limbo at Faxx's lab, she is warned to get him back on duty. After discussions with the Old Man, they decide to update his prime directives, leaving him incapable of doing his job which would then lead to a recall and the perfect introduction to Robocop 2 ("a year ago, we gave this city Robocop...but things have become a little rougher out there").

Murphy is traumatised by his dismantling and flashes back to it as well as his own death. As a result, Faxx finds it easy to input the commands. After being sent out into the streets, he starts to see an image of himself walking in a graveyard. It's only a two second image, and it leads to little pauses. But he's still the cheerful, clueless robot we see in the final film.

By the time he gets back to Metro North, he's pieced the image together: he's walking to Alex Murphy's headstone. This triggers a rush of memories (Jimmy etc) which allows him to fight the directives. When he comes to, he manipulates the striking officers to go after Cain with him, as he's still fearful that he could be taken apart again. Faxx, seeing that Robo's stronger than he looks, opts for Cain as R2 in order to ensure defeat on Robo.


2 - Faxx is not happy about not getting her way on the R2 project, so she decided to enlist Cain to undermine the head scientist's role in the project. He has chosen a cop simiar to Murphy to be R2, and announces his intentions to test it on the streets of Old Detroit. Similar to the above scenario, Faxx equips Cain and promises OCP's weapons.

The prototype R2 is lured to River Rouge, and destroyed by Cain's gang. The brain is smashed to bits. Murphy and Lewis suspect inside help at OCP, and keep an eye on Faxx.

A second prototype is set up. Beforehand, the Old Man warns the scientist about public image and orders the prototype to be kid friendly. As a result, Faxx's directives are fed into it's brain. Once again, it is destroyed by a combination of the looter kids and the graffiti kids. The head scientist resigns, leaving Faxx in charge.

By this point, Murphy and Lewis have tracked down one of Cain's hideouts, and discovers ample evidence that implicates Faxx and the Old Man. Which then leads to a shoot out with Cain and co.

Throughout it, Murphy is battling the realisation that his brain will slowly disintegrate, leaving him obsolete and open to being replaced by a superior machine.

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My main problem with R2 is the sequence of events that begin with Murphy driving into River Rouge, and end with him electrocuting himself. There are some powerful moments (as I've stated elsewhere, I find the dismantling scene far more horrific to watch than his death in R1) but a rushed script and bad editing just leave a sour taste in the mouth.

If I was the script writer, I'd have taken one of these two sequence of events (these are just scenarios I've run through my head at various times in my live. Please forgive me):

1 - Faxx meets with Cain about Robo. He agrees to dismantle him for her in exchange for access to OCP's weaponry (an echo of Clarence and Dick Jones in R1). She provides him with the tools and a map of where to dismantle. When asked why, she says that she does not have access to the original plans on building Robo, so she'll need to dissect him (similar to Crimms response in Prime Suspect).

During the dismantling, Murphy flashes back to the conversation with Holzgang and Ellen ("you are simply a machine", "your husband is dead"). As a result, he loses the will to fight back. When in limbo at Faxx's lab, she is warned to get him back on duty. After discussions with the Old Man, they decide to update his prime directives, leaving him incapable of doing his job which would then lead to a recall and the perfect introduction to Robocop 2 ("a year ago, we gave this city Robocop...but things have become a little rougher out there").

Murphy is traumatised by his dismantling and flashes back to it as well as his own death. As a result, Faxx finds it easy to input the commands. After being sent out into the streets, he starts to see an image of himself walking in a graveyard. It's only a two second image, and it leads to little pauses. But he's still the cheerful, clueless robot we see in the final film.

By the time he gets back to Metro North, he's pieced the image together: he's walking to Alex Murphy's headstone. This triggers a rush of memories (Jimmy etc) which allows him to fight the directives. When he comes to, he manipulates the striking officers to go after Cain with him, as he's still fearful that he could be taken apart again. Faxx, seeing that Robo's stronger than he looks, opts for Cain as R2 in order to ensure defeat on Robo.


2 - Faxx is not happy about not getting her way on the R2 project, so she decided to enlist Cain to undermine the head scientist's role in the project. He has chosen a cop simiar to Murphy to be R2, and announces his intentions to test it on the streets of Old Detroit. Similar to the above scenario, Faxx equips Cain and promises OCP's weapons.

The prototype R2 is lured to River Rouge, and destroyed by Cain's gang. The brain is smashed to bits. Murphy and Lewis suspect inside help at OCP, and keep an eye on Faxx.

A second prototype is set up. Beforehand, the Old Man warns the scientist about public image and orders the prototype to be kid friendly. As a result, Faxx's directives are fed into it's brain. Once again, it is destroyed by a combination of the looter kids and the graffiti kids. The head scientist resigns, leaving Faxx in charge.

By this point, Murphy and Lewis have tracked down one of Cain's hideouts, and discovers ample evidence that implicates Faxx and the Old Man. Which then leads to a shoot out with Cain and co.

Throughout it, Murphy is battling the realisation that his brain will slowly disintegrate, leaving him obsolete and open to being replaced by a superior machine.

[Maxlee]

Heh, seems like I've found a soulmate

Like you, the portion of RoboCop going to River Rouge all the way up to electrocuting himself is something that still troubles me to this very day.

It is why, in the Fan Creation subforum, I opted to make a R2 fan edit that edits out this entire section of the film.

Like you, I also often thought about ways this whole section could be improved. Linking Cain to Faxx is one of the better ways to do this, as this would explain the magical anti-RoboCop weapon Angie weilds, and the basic fact of why Cain leaves RoboCop alive, even when Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob wants to eat Robo's brain (Don't forget the deleted scene of Cain going cyborg shopping @ OCP and meeting Faxx)

I like your #1 that you typed out, this would help in making the movie make a lot more sense.

I don't see a lot in your #2 though :P

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Heh, seems like I've found a soulmate

Like you, the portion of RoboCop going to River Rouge all the way up to electrocuting himself is something that still troubles me to this very day.

It is why, in the Fan Creation subforum, I opted to make a R2 fan edit that edits out this entire section of the film.

Like you, I also often thought about ways this whole section could be improved. Linking Cain to Faxx is one of the better ways to do this, as this would explain the magical anti-RoboCop weapon Angie weilds, and the basic fact of why Cain leaves RoboCop alive, even when Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob wants to eat Robo's brain (Don't forget the deleted scene of Cain going cyborg shopping @ OCP and meeting Faxx)

I like your #1 that you typed out, this would help in making the movie make a lot more sense.

I don't see a lot in your #2 though :P

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Heh, seems like I've found a soulmate

Like you, the portion of RoboCop going to River Rouge all the way up to electrocuting himself is something that still troubles me to this very day.

It is why, in the Fan Creation subforum, I opted to make a R2 fan edit that edits out this entire section of the film.

Like you, I also often thought about ways this whole section could be improved. Linking Cain to Faxx is one of the better ways to do this, as this would explain the magical anti-RoboCop weapon Angie weilds, and the basic fact of why Cain leaves RoboCop alive, even when Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob wants to eat Robo's brain (Don't forget the deleted scene of Cain going cyborg shopping @ OCP and meeting Faxx)

I like your #1 that you typed out, this would help in making the movie make a lot more sense.

I don't see a lot in your #2 though :P

[Edd 209]

I always wondered why the Elvis thug had to check Robo's blown up car? They were all watching it drive in - and no one saw Robo go back to his car, start it moving and then go back and hide behind the wall?
And if I had been clever enough to destroy Robocop I would have a party!
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I always wondered why the Elvis thug had to check Robo's blown up car? They were all watching it drive in - and no one saw Robo go back to his car, start it moving and then go back and hide behind the wall?
And if I had been clever enough to destroy Robocop I would have a party!
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I always wondered why the Elvis thug had to check Robo's blown up car? They were all watching it drive in - and no one saw Robo go back to his car, start it moving and then go back and hide behind the wall?
And if I had been clever enough to destroy Robocop I would have a party!
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I always wondered why the Elvis thug had to check Robo's blown up car? They were all watching it drive in - and no one saw Robo go back to his car, start it moving and then go back and hide behind the wall?
And if I had been clever enough to destroy Robocop I would have a party!
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[Maxlee]

Yeah it's one of those oddities that are ... just odd. The same way Cain's gang make it seems like they fell for Robo's trick and have no idea he's still around, yet some thugs then start to fire away at RoboCop and stop when he reaches the "memorabilia corner". In the comic, RoboCop says "Small arms fire, they can not hurt me".

I always figured, if this was R1 RoboCop, he would have blasted them all to kingdom come, coke factory style, small arms fire or not. You shoot at me, I shoot at you.

I don't want to sink into "does R2 suck or not" debates, but in my mind, there's only 1 reason for these scenes.

To shock the audience RoboCop is DEAD, multiple times.

First the car blows up and the thug goes through the wreckage. RoboCop is DEAD, the audience is shocked.

Then RoboCop is chained to a table, Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob prepares knife and fork (yes I can go on endlessly about Hob's brain fetish as well!) The audience assumes RoboCop is DEAD MEAT and is apptly shocked.

RoboCop's parts are thrown out of a car and the bits and pieces move about in a chaotic painful way. The audience is SHOCKED at this display and RoboCop might as well be DEAD.

Only he isn't because he's repaired and we can laugh about his silly directive behavior! Yay!

Shock value. The writers wanted to shock the audience thinking RoboCop is DEAD. Only he isn't, because then the movie would be over.

That's all there is to it, in my opinion.

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Yeah it's one of those oddities that are ... just odd. The same way Cain's gang make it seems like they fell for Robo's trick and have no idea he's still around, yet some thugs then start to fire away at RoboCop and stop when he reaches the "memorabilia corner". In the comic, RoboCop says "Small arms fire, they can not hurt me".

I always figured, if this was R1 RoboCop, he would have blasted them all to kingdom come, coke factory style, small arms fire or not. You shoot at me, I shoot at you.

I don't want to sink into "does R2 suck or not" debates, but in my mind, there's only 1 reason for these scenes.

To shock the audience RoboCop is DEAD, multiple times.

First the car blows up and the thug goes through the wreckage. RoboCop is DEAD, the audience is shocked.

Then RoboCop is chained to a table, Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob prepares knife and fork (yes I can go on endlessly about Hob's brain fetish as well!) The audience assumes RoboCop is DEAD MEAT and is apptly shocked.

RoboCop's parts are thrown out of a car and the bits and pieces move about in a chaotic painful way. The audience is SHOCKED at this display and RoboCop might as well be DEAD.

Only he isn't because he's repaired and we can laugh about his silly directive behavior! Yay!

Shock value. The writers wanted to shock the audience thinking RoboCop is DEAD. Only he isn't, because then the movie would be over.

That's all there is to it, in my opinion.

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Yeah it's one of those oddities that are ... just odd. The same way Cain's gang make it seems like they fell for Robo's trick and have no idea he's still around, yet some thugs then start to fire away at RoboCop and stop when he reaches the "memorabilia corner". In the comic, RoboCop says "Small arms fire, they can not hurt me".

I always figured, if this was R1 RoboCop, he would have blasted them all to kingdom come, coke factory style, small arms fire or not. You shoot at me, I shoot at you.

I don't want to sink into "does R2 suck or not" debates, but in my mind, there's only 1 reason for these scenes.

To shock the audience RoboCop is DEAD, multiple times.

First the car blows up and the thug goes through the wreckage. RoboCop is DEAD, the audience is shocked.

Then RoboCop is chained to a table, Cain says "one of us must die" and Hob prepares knife and fork (yes I can go on endlessly about Hob's brain fetish as well!) The audience assumes RoboCop is DEAD MEAT and is apptly shocked.

RoboCop's parts are thrown out of a car and the bits and pieces move about in a chaotic painful way. The audience is SHOCKED at this display and RoboCop might as well be DEAD.

Only he isn't because he's repaired and we can laugh about his silly directive behavior! Yay!

Shock value. The writers wanted to shock the audience thinking RoboCop is DEAD. Only he isn't, because then the movie would be over.

That's all there is to it, in my opinion.

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[chaos one]

I don't know, for years I wanted to see a whole dismantling scene. Just out of morbid curiousity.

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I don't know, for years I wanted to see a whole dismantling scene. Just out of morbid curiousity.

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I don't know, for years I wanted to see a whole dismantling scene. Just out of morbid curiousity.

[RoboJOF]

I guess when you make a sequel its liked coming to a crossroads. Should I risk upsetting the fans with more of the same, or do I go over the top and risk losing some people? Either one can be really bad or really good. Terminator 2 was a big change from the original and some folks like that one better. Conan the Destroyer was similar the first movie and it just seemed dull.
In Robocop's case, I think that decided to amp up the satirical future world elements and keep the action toned down, almost as though Robocop wasn't the focus of the movie, even though it carried his name. You could say that they went a little too far. You could also say that Robocop 3 was the latter from before, a movie that tried to rehash old ideas too much and it ended up being weak as well. On second though, Robocop 3 also had some over the top Japanese ninja robot with broken jaw action, so I guess it doesn't really fall into any category.
What I think I mean, is that Robocop 2 got too far away from Robocop. If the producers wanted to make a movie about dystopic future Detroit with robots and drug cartels and conglomerates pulling everyone's strings, then do so and call it Future Under Corporation Kontrol (get it?). If you want to make a movie about Robocop (that is Murphy's character who is now aware of his humanity and cybernetic body), do that and call it Robocop 2. You're gonna have to try to enthrall us with a good story about what would happen next (unless its just another day on the streets of Detroit and there happens to be another gang for Robo to decimate). I think that you can't do too much at once. Superman 4 had this problem. Too many ideas, too grand a scale, and a very weak plot. The moral of this story is, making a sequel to great movie is not easy.

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I guess when you make a sequel its liked coming to a crossroads. Should I risk upsetting the fans with more of the same, or do I go over the top and risk losing some people? Either one can be really bad or really good. Terminator 2 was a big change from the original and some folks like that one better. Conan the Destroyer was similar the first movie and it just seemed dull.
In Robocop's case, I think that decided to amp up the satirical future world elements and keep the action toned down, almost as though Robocop wasn't the focus of the movie, even though it carried his name. You could say that they went a little too far. You could also say that Robocop 3 was the latter from before, a movie that tried to rehash old ideas too much and it ended up being weak as well. On second though, Robocop 3 also had some over the top Japanese ninja robot with broken jaw action, so I guess it doesn't really fall into any category.
What I think I mean, is that Robocop 2 got too far away from Robocop. If the producers wanted to make a movie about dystopic future Detroit with robots and drug cartels and conglomerates pulling everyone's strings, then do so and call it Future Under Corporation Kontrol (get it?). If you want to make a movie about Robocop (that is Murphy's character who is now aware of his humanity and cybernetic body), do that and call it Robocop 2. You're gonna have to try to enthrall us with a good story about what would happen next (unless its just another day on the streets of Detroit and there happens to be another gang for Robo to decimate). I think that you can't do too much at once. Superman 4 had this problem. Too many ideas, too grand a scale, and a very weak plot. The moral of this story is, making a sequel to great movie is not easy.

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I guess when you make a sequel its liked coming to a crossroads. Should I risk upsetting the fans with more of the same, or do I go over the top and risk losing some people? Either one can be really bad or really good. Terminator 2 was a big change from the original and some folks like that one better. Conan the Destroyer was similar the first movie and it just seemed dull.
In Robocop's case, I think that decided to amp up the satirical future world elements and keep the action toned down, almost as though Robocop wasn't the focus of the movie, even though it carried his name. You could say that they went a little too far. You could also say that Robocop 3 was the latter from before, a movie that tried to rehash old ideas too much and it ended up being weak as well. On second though, Robocop 3 also had some over the top Japanese ninja robot with broken jaw action, so I guess it doesn't really fall into any category.
What I think I mean, is that Robocop 2 got too far away from Robocop. If the producers wanted to make a movie about dystopic future Detroit with robots and drug cartels and conglomerates pulling everyone's strings, then do so and call it Future Under Corporation Kontrol (get it?). If you want to make a movie about Robocop (that is Murphy's character who is now aware of his humanity and cybernetic body), do that and call it Robocop 2. You're gonna have to try to enthrall us with a good story about what would happen next (unless its just another day on the streets of Detroit and there happens to be another gang for Robo to decimate). I think that you can't do too much at once. Superman 4 had this problem. Too many ideas, too grand a scale, and a very weak plot. The moral of this story is, making a sequel to great movie is not easy.

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I guess when you make a sequel its liked coming to a crossroads. Should I risk upsetting the fans with more of the same, or do I go over the top and risk losing some people? Either one can be really bad or really good. Terminator 2 was a big change from the original and some folks like that one better. Conan the Destroyer was similar the first movie and it just seemed dull.
In Robocop's case, I think that decided to amp up the satirical future world elements and keep the action toned down, almost as though Robocop wasn't the focus of the movie, even though it carried his name. You could say that they went a little too far. You could also say that Robocop 3 was the latter from before, a movie that tried to rehash old ideas too much and it ended up being weak as well. On second though, Robocop 3 also had some over the top Japanese ninja robot with broken jaw action, so I guess it doesn't really fall into any category.
What I think I mean, is that Robocop 2 got too far away from Robocop. If the producers wanted to make a movie about dystopic future Detroit with robots and drug cartels and conglomerates pulling everyone's strings, then do so and call it Future Under Corporation Kontrol (get it?). If you want to make a movie about Robocop (that is Murphy's character who is now aware of his humanity and cybernetic body), do that and call it Robocop 2. You're gonna have to try to enthrall us with a good story about what would happen next (unless its just another day on the streets of Detroit and there happens to be another gang for Robo to decimate). I think that you can't do too much at once. Superman 4 had this problem. Too many ideas, too grand a scale, and a very weak plot. The moral of this story is, making a sequel to great movie is not easy.

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BTW guys, I haven't lost track here, but there have been some major changes in my life currently. No need to veer off topic here, but I did want to make sure that I still have the aim of eventually providing my own thoughts here as well. I won't say much more than R2 is a favorite movie of mine, flaws and all

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BTW guys, I haven't lost track here, but there have been some major changes in my life currently. No need to veer off topic here, but I did want to make sure that I still have the aim of eventually providing my own thoughts here as well. I won't say much more than R2 is a favorite movie of mine, flaws and all

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BTW guys, I haven't lost track here, but there have been some major changes in my life currently. No need to veer off topic here, but I did want to make sure that I still have the aim of eventually providing my own thoughts here as well. I won't say much more than R2 is a favorite movie of mine, flaws and all

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I like R2 but I think the main thing that bothered me was changing the theme song. I did like the music they used, but classic movies like Star Wars, Superman, and Indiana Jones all have the same theme for each of their sequels. And when Murphy was missing for a bit before he was reprogrammed by Dr. Faxx and he acted goofy because of the ridiculous commands. I know they wanted him to be less violent, but instead he should’ve been given a factory reset. So he’s acting like when he was first brought online, but of course his human memories always kick in to help him remember who he really is. Lastly, if the deleted scenes like Murphy visiting his grave and I think there was a scene where Lewis came to Dr. Faxx to ask for Murphy to be rebuilt.

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I like R2 but I think the main thing that bothered me was changing the theme song. I did like the music they used, but classic movies like Star Wars, Superman, and Indiana Jones all have the same theme for each of their sequels. And when Murphy was missing for a bit before he was reprogrammed by Dr. Faxx and he acted goofy because of the ridiculous commands. I know they wanted him to be less violent, but instead he should’ve been given a factory reset. So he’s acting like when he was first brought online, but of course his human memories always kick in to help him remember who he really is. Lastly, if the deleted scenes like Murphy visiting his grave and I think there was a scene where Lewis came to Dr. Faxx to ask for Murphy to be rebuilt.

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I like R2 but I think the main thing that bothered me was changing the theme song. I did like the music they used, but classic movies like Star Wars, Superman, and Indiana Jones all have the same theme for each of their sequels. And when Murphy was missing for a bit before he was reprogrammed by Dr. Faxx and he acted goofy because of the ridiculous commands. I know they wanted him to be less violent, but instead he should’ve been given a factory reset. So he’s acting like when he was first brought online, but of course his human memories always kick in to help him remember who he really is. Lastly, if the deleted scenes like Murphy visiting his grave and I think there was a scene where Lewis came to Dr. Faxx to ask for Murphy to be rebuilt.