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The artwork is a bit dodgy yes, but ok i think. The biggest problem is Robo who looks strange and have a bucket helmet.
Storywise the first issue is pretty good though and ends with a twist. In the second issue Robo will time travel back to the Terminator2 timeline and apparently face the T1000, which could be interesting. Unfortunately this series have the same writer as the old series which could mean Robo will get again be a side character.
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Sean_001
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:23 am |
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I like this cover. That is an awesome concept. Seeing Murphy sacrifice himself for the future. Of course, not an original idea. Frank Miller first posed that same idea in the first story by Dark Horse Comics.
Nevertheless, Love the covers from this series so far.
....That said. I'd like to address the issue at hand with most EVERYBODY's opinion about the page-artist.
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In my honest opinion, I think you're all being a little hard on PJ Holden.
(Yeah, I get the irony. Me, The guy who publicly ripped Juan Jose Ryp a new one. If you catch the little pun I threw in there, Kudos. While my forthcoming opinion maybe a complete step backwards in my usual rants, I will justify this artist's work.)
While the proportions on RoboCop are off, and kinda inaccurate, it's the story-telling ability of the artist most companies look for. While they may have hired from within the Company, I'd assume Dynamite would've made the business decision to hire an artist who has vision, the ability to tell a story without word balloons, and will work cheap. Typically, companies would hire from within. Let's not forget that, while most of us would like to forget, we live in a time where Money just doesn't hold the same value. The Greedy get greddier, the rich stay rich, and everybody on this spinning planet worships the dollar (or your country's currency of choice).
Now, by looking at just these 3 images (because any comic store within 50 miles of me will only "Special-Order" anything by Dynamite, and I haven't the time to travel to these stores), I can see that this artist has been given a chance to shine with a high-profile property (properties, really). And Even though his style may not be glamorous, sleek, or even beautifully accurate, his story-telling ability is clear. These pages here prove something of his worth as a story-teller.
Of course, panel to panel flow is important. And this is clearly evident. A little reminiscent of Dark Horse Comics. But his work with tell you what's going on with the characters is also clear.
And of course, the reveal. Taken from Director Verhoeven's advice from Rob Bottin. Only revealing a little bit at a time. Anyone catch Otomo in there? Pretty good flow from page to page.
Now, I'm going to reserve judgment on the artist's style and story-telling ability until I can see more.
But based on 3 pages? I'm not going to jump to any conclusions yet. My pitch-fork remains in the barn. But come on guys. A little bit of patience.
(BUT, I will say, I wish I coulda had that shot. They woulda had a better man for the job. But alas, I didn't submit to them, so no job.)
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Stan The Man
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:44 am |
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| Sean : | In my honest opinion, I think you're all being a little hard on PJ Holden.
(Yeah, I get the irony. Me, The guy who publicly ripped Juan Jose Ryp a new one. If you catch the little pun I threw in there, Kudos. While my forthcoming opinion maybe a complete step backwards in my usual rants, I will justify this artist's work.)
While the proportions on RoboCop are off, and kinda inaccurate, it's the story-telling ability of the artist most companies look for. While they may have hired from within the Company, I'd assume Dynamite would've made the business decision to hire an artist who has vision, the ability to tell a story without word balloons, and will work cheap. Typically, companies would hire from within. Let's not forget that, while most of us would like to forget, we live in a time where Money just doesn't hold the same value. The Greedy get greddier, the rich stay rich, and everybody on this spinning planet worships the dollar (or your country's currency of choice).
Now, by looking at just these 3 images (because any comic store within 50 miles of me will only "Special-Order" anything by Dynamite, and I haven't the time to travel to these stores), I can see that this artist has been given a chance to shine with a high-profile property (properties, really). And Even though his style may not be glamorous, sleek, or even beautifully accurate, his story-telling ability is clear. These pages here prove something of his worth as a story-teller. |
That's fine, but I don't see why you can't have both good storytelling with the art and a decently drawn Robo (though he's not the only sub-par thing in there). now the other stuff is minor and I can overlook it but not Robo himself. As he is one of the main characters, Robo should be given a better treatment than that. Plain and simple.
That said, I understand your points Sean. And I agree about Ryp because nothing could be followed in the mess he called 'art' so this guy is certainly not that bad. I'll even add that perhaps RoboCop art-wise may not be so concentrated on for the reason Archive said - that the story most likely ain't gonna focus on Robo much. Which is not good. But, if that's the case, it's indeed not necessarily the artist's fault.
Nonetheless, Robo still looks like shit, simple as that and again, when it's supposed to be one of the main things in the damn piece, well, it's certainly gonna be noticed. Am I saying the guy isn't worth a damn? No. The rest of it is alright, and I too liked the little details such as the 'reveals' and whatnot. But Robo leaves a lot to be desired, even for 'cheaper' work.
My point - I don't like half-assed work (or even what seems to be so) whatever the reason. Still, with your piece said, I'll give the artist himself a bit of a break, but this thing will still get heavy scrutiny from me.
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Sean_001
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Well, to be fair, I'm not an instant fan of the artist's portrayal of RoboCop. As well as Dynamite's choice in artist for it.
I sure the story shine through. And I can't believe that Robo would take a "backseat" in the story, given the plot points that have already been uncovered. Regardless, I think they could've done a little better with who they chose to do the series. And who knows, They may have a different artist for every issue. Maybe not.
So far, from what I've read in this topic, nobody seems to be that enthusiastic about this series, or how Dynamite has handled the property in the past. Granted, I haven't read a single issue yet, but I plan on it...
In the meantime, I will continue to wait and see what this series brings.
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Nika Silwerra
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:50 pm |
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These covers for issue 4 are really very good! Especially the one re-posted by Sean. I like the concept and the way of the red-yellow colors. Oh yeah nice fight ! We have at least bunch of nice artwork, if the story and pages inside will be as garbage as the storyline of first Dynamite attempt, but what is sad of course.
I just ordered first issue, so I am really very curious about the story and mainly impression of that. I did not read too much about the story before, so I really dont know what I should wait. :roll:
Those a few pages you posted here, dont know why but the style of art remind me of the art style of the old RvsT from DarkHorse. Art-style for these Dynamite RVT comics isnt bad at all, only the Robocop looks pretty bad, like a childish style. Well, maybe it will be work with whole the art work and story very well.
I cannot wait to get the issue.
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The first cover for issue #4 is gross but the second one is really good. As for the interior art, well, it's not bad but it's certainly not at the level of the original Robocop vs. Terminator. It's a bit upsetting to see Robocop taking steps backwards in the art department when comics book art has really been pushing the limits as of late. I'll have to take a look at some of these books next time I'm in a comic shop, but what I've see n so far sadly isn't enough to make a purchase off of.
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Josh
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:18 pm |
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Why not get the cover artists to do the main pages?
I think it's a cost issue. The less they have to spend on artists and colourists the less they have to lose when it turns out not many people are that hot on it and don't buy it.
It's a shame because the story has some great potential, especially the whole meeting the T-100 and going into the film universe.
I find it really hard to enjoy a comic/graphic novel if the art is lacking. This art is just generic. It's almost like the artist has had Robo described to him and has never seen him. The proportions are all out and Robo doesn't look powerful.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:37 am |
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| RoboPimp : | | The first cover for issue #4 is gross but the second one is really good. |
Indeed.
I don't like the interior art as well. Damn, I miss 90s comics art.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:32 pm |
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DYNAMITE your're FIRED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-CqZcEmy8
skip to 2.50 minutes for the review.
Dynamite and MGM must change their strategy, if they continue this than the ROBO license is dead.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:38 pm |
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The problem is everybody who uses the Robocop licence is just trying to juice more out of the same content that's been used for 20 years instead of trying to breathe some new life into the series.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:10 pm |
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Wow that youtube review wasn't very forgiving. Brutal. But i can see what he means and would have to agree on most points.
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Josh
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:19 pm |
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Can anyone put some scans up?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:35 pm |
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| Josh : | | Can anyone put some scans up? |
"Dynamite comics" visits this board now and then, so we can't put up more pages then the ones already available.
They would get pissed. Of course if they've read all our views on the comic so far they probably already are pissed.
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I was really hoping on Dynamite to revive the RoboCop franchise...I've got the first 4 issues of their own Robo-reboot, and I gotta say I love them! Very old-school story-telling ( even though I have to agree they have some scripting issues at some minor details, but what the heck..it's good all the same.
Now about this RoboVsTerminator (AGAIN...)...well, actually Korim looks like a dude who understands about comics (as me), and his review is really honest and brutally disappointing at what could have been yet another good release. Too bad...well, we've had our own good one with Miller. That's a good storytelling. A lil'bit far-fetched at times, but hell...it's sci-fi, and it's in comic-book medium, so...anything is possible. 
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