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CrimeDoesNotPay
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Ok, you just posted it right beneath my reply so i thought it was directed (at least partially) to me.
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Saasouza
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| Archive : | | Saasouza : | The script has leaked, but you seem to deliberately miss it. But more important, the script is not an early
draft, it's Joshua Zetumer's finished script plus Nick Schenck's revision. |
If you are talking about the script we had on the board a while back, dated January, Sony pictures entertainment stated in September that it is a script they:
"classify as proprietary and outdated."
That said, from what we have seen from various photos it does look like a lot of it remains the same or very similar. |
Yes, i was referring to the script we had the link posted in this board. There are a number of reasons why i believe this script is very close to what we're seeing on screen. Like i said, this is the finished Josh Zetumer script plus Nick Schenk's revision, which leaves us with most of the finished product only missing the James Vanderbilt final revision. Moreover, like you said, from what we have seen from the pics the scenes are just like we read in the script. For instance, the RoboCop presentation cerimony is identical the script but ultimately, what MGM said about the script being "proprietary and outdated" for me is nothing beyond the truth, i mean, PROPRIETARY meaning the script is in fact MGM's property and shouldn't be around being reviewed by entertainment websites while they also confirms it is OUTDATED but never actually says how much outdated it really is. Just imagine how fucked up a leaked script can be in this early stage of a huge franchise comeback like RoboCop ? I mean there wasn't much they could do once the shit hit the fan but to put out a half-baked statement, right ?
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2) Brazil ? Seriously ? The land of cheap plastic surgeries is now a "serious" name in entertainment ? Don't think so.... |
Not now, it have been serious since the beginning, delivering a number of great movies throughout the years but your limited, prejudiced way of looking at things prevents you from perceiving it and even worse, you compare the brazilian movie industry with hollywood which is not really the point here. No one in this board ever needed to raise that question because it's clear that USA film industry is a lot bigger and better organized than any other film industry in the world but this is one thing. Another thing is suggesting there can't be talented, qualified professionals coming from Brazil to helm a movie like RoboCop and that's a shame. All i can think is your opinion is despicable and is a harm to the intelligence of this board.
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | The reason MGM approached padhila in the first place is because they wanted new blood and someone who didn't really care about keeping a "good/clean" image as long as he can make an aggresive action movie. However that's not really happening now since i'm quite certain they regreted ever taking that decision (according always to what padhila says, unless he's lying his teeth out). |
And how do you think MGM expected Padilha to deliever this "aggressive action movie" you're talking about if it wasn't for the the Elite squad movies ? I mean, how dumb you can get fella ?
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | So please don't give me that "awesome" Elite Squad 1/2 cr@p just because in "brazil" people watched it more than the Expendables (example - if it's real). I'm sure that in Equador they don't even watch USA published movies same as with many other places, so what ? It's politics, nothing more nothing less. |
The expendables ? LOL You're pathetic, seriously. To be the highest-grossing film in Brazil means beating Avatar, Titanic and all the heavyweights, just like in any other country like USA, Spain, Italy, Canada, Uruguay, Argentina, Japan, Equator or whatever. In other words, a high-grossing movie is pretty much the same thing anywhere in the world as long as your president isn't called Muammar Gaddafi.
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | And even if all of the above weren't a fact still everyone has their own "taste" in movies and personally i hate watching low-budget films with D-rated part-time actors. |
This isn't worth responding, really. Kid, How old are you anyway ? You should do your paper round and take your time until you can afford a coherent conversation here. Please come back when you have some facts, when you at least know what you're talking about. cheers.
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Josh
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:49 am |
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I really hope that the script does get a fair bit of revision.
Some of the dialogue was painful to read and it seemed a bit of a mess to be honest. Very little in it drove me to read on and I didn't feel captivated by it.
A fair bit of the production screams cost cutting. They hire Zetumer who hasn't done a whole lot apart from some revisions and spec scripts, Schenk who again has not done a huge amount (although Gran Torino was a good film) and Vanderbilt who has not penned anything truly noteworthy. Even The Amazing Spider-Man was okay at best.
I know having a sub par script is not the be all and end all of a film. Look at the original film, you could say that without Verhoeven's direction it would not have been as memorable as it is today and might have ended up being some sort of B movie.
I do have faith in Padilha's direction. The parallels between himself and Verhoeven are to close not to notice, they both made successful films in their home country and are now breaking into America with RoboCop. But Padilha did make some comments that were quickly turned around which makes me think the studio more than likely had a talk with him. I don't think RoboCop will be the vision he wants because the studios have too much involvement whereas he has had a lot of control over his previous films/documentaries.
It's a shame if that's the case. RoboCop is one property that greatly benefits a raw and possibly unconventional (and in Verhoeven's case, slightly mad) style of direction.
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CrimeDoesNotPay
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:22 am |
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| Saasouza : | | Archive : | | Saasouza : | The script has leaked, but you seem to deliberately miss it. But more important, the script is not an early
draft, it's Joshua Zetumer's finished script plus Nick Schenck's revision. |
If you are talking about the script we had on the board a while back, dated January, Sony pictures entertainment stated in September that it is a script they:
"classify as proprietary and outdated."
That said, from what we have seen from various photos it does look like a lot of it remains the same or very similar. |
Yes, i was referring to the script we had the link posted in this board. There are a number of reasons why i believe this script is very close to what we're seeing on screen. Like i said, this is the finished Josh Zetumer script plus Nick Schenk's revision, which leaves us with most of the finished product only missing the James Vanderbilt final revision. Moreover, like you said, from what we have seen from the pics the scenes are just like we read in the script. For instance, the RoboCop presentation cerimony is identical the script but ultimately, what MGM said about the script being "proprietary and outdated" for me is nothing beyond the truth, i mean, PROPRIETARY meaning the script is in fact MGM's property and shouldn't be around being reviewed by entertainment websites while they also confirms it is OUTDATED but never actually says how much outdated it really is. Just imagine how fucked up a leaked script can be in this early stage of a huge franchise comeback like RoboCop ? I mean there wasn't much they could do once the shit hit the fan but to put out a half-baked statement, right ?
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2) Brazil ? Seriously ? The land of cheap plastic surgeries is now a "serious" name in entertainment ? Don't think so.... |
Not now, it have been serious since the beginning, delivering a number of great movies throughout the years but your limited, prejudiced way of looking at things prevents you from perceiving it and even worse, you compare the brazilian movie industry with hollywood which is not really the point here. No one in this board ever needed to raise that question because it's clear that USA film industry is a lot bigger and better organized than any other film industry in the world but this is one thing. Another thing is suggesting there can't be talented, qualified professionals coming from Brazil to helm a movie like RoboCop and that's a shame. All i can think is your opinion is despicable and is a harm to the intelligence of this board.
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | The reason MGM approached padhila in the first place is because they wanted new blood and someone who didn't really care about keeping a "good/clean" image as long as he can make an aggresive action movie. However that's not really happening now since i'm quite certain they regreted ever taking that decision (according always to what padhila says, unless he's lying his teeth out). |
And how do you think MGM expected Padilha to deliever this "aggressive action movie" you're talking about if it wasn't for the the Elite squad movies ? I mean, how dumb you can get fella ?
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | So please don't give me that "awesome" Elite Squad 1/2 cr@p just because in "brazil" people watched it more than the Expendables (example - if it's real). I'm sure that in Equador they don't even watch USA published movies same as with many other places, so what ? It's politics, nothing more nothing less. |
The expendables ? LOL You're pathetic, seriously. To be the highest-grossing film in Brazil means beating Avatar, Titanic and all the heavyweights, just like in any other country like USA, Spain, Italy, Canada, Uruguay, Argentina, Japan, Equator or whatever. In other words, a high-grossing movie is pretty much the same thing anywhere in the world as long as your president isn't called Muammar Gaddafi.
| CrimeDoesNotPay : | | And even if all of the above weren't a fact still everyone has their own "taste" in movies and personally i hate watching low-budget films with D-rated part-time actors. |
This isn't worth responding, really. Kid, How old are you anyway ? You should do your paper round and take your time until you can afford a coherent conversation here. Please come back when you have some facts, when you at least know what you're talking about. cheers. |
Well how can one reply to all the stupid things you have compressed into a single answer in a civil way (unlike yours) ?
Let's see. Brazil a serious name in film industry.....Not possible but even so i think you purposely changed the subject here. My reply simply stated the fact that you can't say that the Elite Squad movies were good just because in Brazil they topped the charts. It's quite normal for a domestic movie to do well in domestic sales so what does it matter ? Of course Elite Squad did crap in other countries but if you want specific stats i can post them here. So no a high-grossing movie is not the Same anywhere in the world, that's a nonsense statement.
As for MGM well there aren't many aggressive directors out there who cost as low as Padhila does and in the end i'm quite certain that too played a part in their decision. However that doesn't mean they made the right decision. We've seen directors come from nowhere and fade out once again, the same can be the case of padhila (remains to be seen).
As for your last answer i don't know what to say. Perhaps you want to explain to me why Elite Squad was not a low-budget film with D-rated actors most of who are also part-time actors ? Perhaps for a "brazilian" production it wasn't cheap but know what ? For the Rest Of The World it WAS.
Josh i think you missed several of this guys "comments" about me. Unless what he says doesn't count.
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Josh
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:17 am |
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I suggest we cool of a little here.
Besides, we're veering wildly off topic.
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Saasouza
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:07 pm |
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| Josh : | I really hope that the script does get a fair bit of revision.
Some of the dialogue was painful to read and it seemed a bit of a mess to be honest. Very little in it drove me to read on and I didn't feel captivated by it.
A fair bit of the production screams cost cutting. They hire Zetumer who hasn't done a whole lot apart from some revisions and spec scripts, Schenk who again has not done a huge amount (although Gran Torino was a good film) and Vanderbilt who has not penned anything truly noteworthy. Even The Amazing Spider-Man was okay at best. |
This is quite interesting, i mean, while i agree the dialogues needs some work, the script as a whole, the story, the pace, how RoboCop is able to interact with the city data, (police database, city surveillance cameras, etc), the murphy's wife struggle to see his husband , i mean everything else i think is very good.
As for the cost cutting, i don't think they're too worried about it, really. If they were they would never had approached Darren Aronofsky for instance which is a hyped (costly) director. The way i look at it, it seems more like they went through a difficult time trying to find someone who could understand the material and be able to pen a adequate script for instance. i mean, there are a bunch of renowned screenwriters that simply doesn't get science fiction at all and RoboCop is about science fiction with brains so it's even more specific. Said that i think their background in this case doesn't really tell much in my opinion.
| Josh : | | I know having a sub par script is not the be all and end all of a film. Look at the original film, you could say that without Verhoeven's direction it would not have been as memorable as it is today and might have ended up being some sort of B movie. |
Quite right. Verhoeven's take made all the difference and i even dare to say his directing is more interesting than the script itself.
| Josh : | I do have faith in Padilha's direction. The parallels between himself and Verhoeven are to close not to notice, they both made successful films in their home country and are now breaking into America with RoboCop. But Padilha did make some comments that were quickly turned around which makes me think the studio more than likely had a talk with him. I don't think RoboCop will be the vision he wants because the studios have too much involvement whereas he has had a lot of control over his previous films/documentaries.
It's a shame if that's the case. RoboCop is one property that greatly benefits a raw and possibly unconventional (and in Verhoeven's case, slightly mad) style of direction. |
I used to be worried about it as well but to be honest, i think the studio intervention can be a good thing after all. I mean, executives can contribute, giving a more 'grounded', less artistic view upon a project, while directors, screenwriters and everyone else are too attached to the artistic side of things that they can easily steer the movie too far away from its purpose and specially in this particular case, as we're talking about bringing back an old successful franchise, direction is crucial to retain the original concept and please the older fans as well. I mean, it would have been a lot easier to call this movie anything else but having the RoboCop title attached to it means you necessarily has to honor the concepts of the original movie specially because it is only 25 years old and it's still fresh in people's memories.
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Well how can one reply to all the stupid things you have compressed into a single answer in a civil way (unlike yours) ?
Let's see. Brazil a serious name in film industry.....Not possible but even so i think you purposely changed the subject here. My reply simply stated the fact that you can't say that the Elite Squad movies were good just because in Brazil they topped the charts. It's quite normal for a domestic movie to do well in domestic sales so what does it matter ? Of course Elite Squad did crap in other countries but if you want specific stats i can post them here. So no a high-grossing movie is not the Same anywhere in the world, that's a nonsense statement.
As for MGM well there aren't many aggressive directors out there who cost as low as Padhila does and in the end i'm quite certain that too played a part in their decision. However that doesn't mean they made the right decision. We've seen directors come from nowhere and fade out once again, the same can be the case of padhila (remains to be seen).
As for your last answer i don't know what to say. Perhaps you want to explain to me why Elite Squad was not a low-budget film with D-rated actors most of who are also part-time actors ? Perhaps for a "brazilian" production it wasn't cheap but know what ? For the Rest Of The World it WAS.
Josh i think you missed several of this guys "comments" about me. Unless what he says doesn't count. |
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vegasrobo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:32 pm |
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Thats an archive 1st....He responded with a Lemur..
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CrimeDoesNotPay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:06 am |
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Well so far i haven't seen a single valid argument from him, the only thing i see is him launching personal attacks every time he has nothing to say so i'm not surprised about this.
Although his attitude certainly lowers the entire level of the forums.
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| Saasouza : | | Josh : | I really hope that the script does get a fair bit of revision.
Some of the dialogue was painful to read and it seemed a bit of a mess to be honest. Very little in it drove me to read on and I didn't feel captivated by it.
A fair bit of the production screams cost cutting. They hire Zetumer who hasn't done a whole lot apart from some revisions and spec scripts, Schenk who again has not done a huge amount (although Gran Torino was a good film) and Vanderbilt who has not penned anything truly noteworthy. Even The Amazing Spider-Man was okay at best. |
This is quite interesting, i mean, while i agree the dialogues needs some work, the script as a whole, the story, the pace, how RoboCop is able to interact with the city data, (police database, city surveillance cameras, etc), the murphy's wife struggle to see his husband , i mean everything else i think is very good.
As for the cost cutting, i don't think they're too worried about it, really. If they were they would never had approached Darren Aronofsky for instance which is a hyped (costly) director. The way i look at it, it seems more like they went through a difficult time trying to find someone who could understand the material and be able to pen a adequate script for instance. i mean, there are a bunch of renowned screenwriters that simply doesn't get science fiction at all and RoboCop is about science fiction with brains so it's even more specific. Said that i think their background in this case doesn't really tell much in my opinion.
| Josh : | | I know having a sub par script is not the be all and end all of a film. Look at the original film, you could say that without Verhoeven's direction it would not have been as memorable as it is today and might have ended up being some sort of B movie. |
Quite right. Verhoeven's take made all the difference and i even dare to say his directing is more interesting than the script itself.
| Josh : | I do have faith in Padilha's direction. The parallels between himself and Verhoeven are to close not to notice, they both made successful films in their home country and are now breaking into America with RoboCop. But Padilha did make some comments that were quickly turned around which makes me think the studio more than likely had a talk with him. I don't think RoboCop will be the vision he wants because the studios have too much involvement whereas he has had a lot of control over his previous films/documentaries.
It's a shame if that's the case. RoboCop is one property that greatly benefits a raw and possibly unconventional (and in Verhoeven's case, slightly mad) style of direction. |
I used to be worried about it as well but to be honest, i think the studio intervention can be a good thing after all. I mean, executives can contribute, giving a more 'grounded', less artistic view upon a project, while directors, screenwriters and everyone else are too attached to the artistic side of things that they can easily steer the movie too far away from its purpose and specially in this particular case, as we're talking about bringing back an old successful franchise, direction is crucial to retain the original concept and please the older fans as well. I mean, it would have been a lot easier to call this movie anything else but having the RoboCop title attached to it means you necessarily has to honor the concepts of the original movie specially because it is only 25 years old and it's still fresh in people's memories.
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Well how can one reply to all the stupid things you have compressed into a single answer in a civil way (unlike yours) ?
Let's see. Brazil a serious name in film industry.....Not possible but even so i think you purposely changed the subject here. My reply simply stated the fact that you can't say that the Elite Squad movies were good just because in Brazil they topped the charts. It's quite normal for a domestic movie to do well in domestic sales so what does it matter ? Of course Elite Squad did crap in other countries but if you want specific stats i can post them here. So no a high-grossing movie is not the Same anywhere in the world, that's a nonsense statement.
As for MGM well there aren't many aggressive directors out there who cost as low as Padhila does and in the end i'm quite certain that too played a part in their decision. However that doesn't mean they made the right decision. We've seen directors come from nowhere and fade out once again, the same can be the case of padhila (remains to be seen).
As for your last answer i don't know what to say. Perhaps you want to explain to me why Elite Squad was not a low-budget film with D-rated actors most of who are also part-time actors ? Perhaps for a "brazilian" production it wasn't cheap but know what ? For the Rest Of The World it WAS.
Josh i think you missed several of this guys "comments" about me. Unless what he says doesn't count. |
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I defer to other on this but from my limited experience it seems leaked scripts are always very heavily revised in the finished film particularly when it's know that another writer has been brought on board. Also Padilha is a co-writer on the Elite Squad films as I'm sure he will be here. I completely see both angles regarding Padilha vs. the studio which is always the argument after the fact with regard to whether we get a good film when fans are involved. You want a director with vision and you often don't want that vision watered-down by the suits. However this is an excellent counter-argument in that sometimes the suits are there to protect the integrity of the pre-existing property from a director that may take some ideas too far afield from what's desired. Time will tell. From the many director commentaries I've seen I see the positive effect specifically with regard to editing a film of studio intervention. There's no doubt a writer/director or any artist will want more of everything but it sometimes serves the story better when they are reigned in a bit. I just hope all works out for the best for the movie.
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CrimeDoesNotPay
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:57 pm |
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This looks like Iron Man even more !
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:50 pm |
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I wouldn't say Iron-Man, that at least did look like a machine, more like Batman gone wrong!!
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I don't see bare hand on that version of the suit, if it is legit ...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:19 am |
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Meh...it looks like a Delta 6 Accelerator suit from G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra to me.
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