New user registration is currently closed         PMLog in for PM  Log inLog in 

RoboCop pushed back to 2014
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 18, 19, 20, 21  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    INDEX -> Front Page - Featured Topics
Author Message
BurnOne4Robo
Sgt-L2

Sgt-L2



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 09 Nov 2012
Post Count: 238




Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm Reply with quote

Bauc :
They dont have any respect for the fans of Robocop, if they did ....they would have released something ...anything by now ....but no.....


I'm not sure it has anything to do with respect for fans. Studios don't respect fans, they respect the $$$. So, if they thought it was worth their money to go all out marketing and promoting, then they would. It seems to me that they are not willing to go big on marketing because they aren't sure if they can make up for it at the box office. All these recent blockbusters that spent 100 million plus marketing their films and then ended up taking a loss must have a lot of execs shitting their pants. They are either being overly cautions and purposefully cutting back on marketing and promo costs to keep the overall production cost down, or they think they have a dud and aren't interested in spending good money after bad.




RB 226


robocop-figure4 nuke-black-thunder magnavolt
Bauc
O-L4

O-L4



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 19 Aug 2012
Post Count: 125


Comment: Dead or Alive you are comming with me

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:25 pm Reply with quote

In the mean time, here is another view of the CC video

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/robocop-2014-10-things-we-learned-at-comic-con-2013/there-are-also-nods-to-the-original-s-weapons-and-voice




RB 449


Raymond
Sgt-L5

Sgt-L5



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 16 Nov 2012
Post Count: 384




Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:20 pm Reply with quote

It's crazy how close they are to the drone controversy with stuff like

Quote:
It seems like a good idea, with the lumbering ED-209’s and humanoid ED-208’s keeping Tehran under tight control. It all goes wrong, however, when a 209 identifies a weapon that a small child is holding, and unleashes a torrent of rounds at the kid.


If they had picked say Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan instead of Iran maybe it had been too close for comfort. I hope some controversy like that isn't what delays the trailer. It's a known fact some movies do major re-cuts when things get sensitive. Luckily for Robo 2014 that's the intro and not a major part of the storyline. I think they are safe




RB 3724


artuditu
mio Cid

C-L3



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 10 Aug 2002
Post Count: 1446


Comment: Stay out of trouble!

Great Robofan Level 1/3 (Amount: 1) Great Posts  Level 2/3 (Amount: 1) Public Trust - Level 1/3 (Amount: 1) Great Topic  Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:11 pm Reply with quote

I'm sure it would be easy to make the film not to mention Iran/Tehran and make of it a nameless city and country in Middle East.

I've read about 'Red Dawn' remake and how they changed the invading army in post-production from China to North Korea (they had to retouch flags and symbols digitally, and redub dialogues to korean) so they could distribute the film in the chinese market.

By the way, seeing it today it's a bit weird, funny and out of place in R1 when they mention Mexico and South Africa in the news. Obviously those examples weren't that much sensitive as conflicts in Middle East today, specially among American audience.




RB 6857


spawn-figure alien-warrior starwars-trooper prototype-figure1 starshiptroopers robo-scraped knightrider-kitt
Raymond
Sgt-L5

Sgt-L5



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 16 Nov 2012
Post Count: 384




Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:49 pm Reply with quote

artuditu :
I'm sure it would be easy to make the film not to mention Iran/Tehran and make of it a nameless city and country in Middle East.

I've read about 'Red Dawn' remake and how they changed the invading army in post-production from China to North Korea (they had to retouch flags and symbols digitally, and redub dialogues to korean) so they could distribute the film in the chinese market.

By the way, seeing it today it's a bit weird, funny and out of place in R1 when they mention Mexico and South Africa in the news. Obviously those examples weren't that much sensitive as conflicts in Middle East today, specially among American audience.


They could leave it nameless but that would allow ppl to make their own conclusions. Like for example that it's one of the current areas where US has used drones and accidently killed innocent civilians. They could have picked any place in the world since it's two decades into the future but yet they wanted the Middle East. Maybe more sensitive internationally than in the US but it's still immigrants and refugees even in US that could have a negative reaction to scenes like that. It makes the movie more relevant but they could just as well killed random Omnicorp employee or what not.

It's true R1 has some stuff that was a bit sensitive at the time but often in an over-the-top way. My fav probably that Nuke-em commercial that is clearly satire of the cold war and the nuclear threat that was more real when Soviet still existed.




RB 3724


Saasouza
L-L1

L-L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Post Count: 430




News Topic Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:23 pm Reply with quote

I think the drone warfare is the best scenario they could have possibly use if they're trying to remain faithful to the original movie beacuse it's basically the same thing, difference is that we know better now how this is going to happen..

like Padilha have said, if we come to the point of using automate machines as military force, it is more reasonable to assume they're deploying them in global interventions as opposed to use them as law enforcement domestically and risking the life of their own citizen.

The way i see this is not even a change in the film's plot - it's more like having a better notion about that subject matter and make use of the current drone debate to make the story they're telling more grounded.

Iran is just a perfect choice as well since the tension between us and iran have escalated more and more in the past years and since the movie happens in the future it's better to avoid the afghanistan - pakistan theme and try to come up with a possible conflict scenario based on a growing crisis scenario that's happening in the present.




RB 943


ED-209-2013 remake-gun baby-food
artuditu
mio Cid

C-L3



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 10 Aug 2002
Post Count: 1446


Comment: Stay out of trouble!

Public Trust - Level 1/3 (Amount: 1) Great Robofan Level 1/3 (Amount: 1) Great Topic  Level 2/3 (Amount: 1) Great Posts  Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:04 pm Reply with quote

Seriously, Iran is the worst possible choice, it's almost 3 times the size of Afghanistan and 4 times the size of Iraq, it has more than 2 times the population of those countries, the economy is much more developed.

An invasion and occupation of Iran by the USA would need an investment of money and human lives that USA has not known since the last World War, the American economy would suffer a major blow, and oil international prices would peak as never known before (Iran is the second OPEC exporter in the world), not to talk about Iran being neighbour to the other giant muslim state, Pakistan, a nuclear power with almost 200 million people that could support and feed all kind of resistance and terrorist groups in Iran together with other already experienced Taliban afghans and Iraqi neighbours.

It's not a coincidence that Iran (ancient Persia), unlike all of its neighbours, never became a colony of any western power in the 19th and 20th century. I'm confident any serious geopolitik analyst in the CIA knows that a direct war against Iran would be a disaster for american and world economy, and it's not an issue to take lightly.

IMHO if Robo2014 want to play the Middle East card, they should go for the nameless/abstract middle-east country, as for example they did in videogame Metal Gear Solid 4, if I'm not wrong.




RB 6857


spawn-figure alien-warrior starwars-trooper prototype-figure1 starshiptroopers robo-scraped knightrider-kitt
Saasouza
L-L1

L-L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Post Count: 430




News Topic Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:03 pm Reply with quote

artuditu :
Seriously, Iran is the worst possible choice, it's almost 3 times the size of Afghanistan and 4 times the size of Iraq, it has more than 2 times the population of those countries, the economy is much more developed.

An invasion and occupation of Iran by the USA would need an investment of money and human lives that USA has not known since the last World War, the American economy would suffer a major blow, and oil international prices would peak as never known before (Iran is the second OPEC exporter in the world), not to talk about Iran being neighbour to the other giant muslim state, Pakistan, a nuclear power with almost 200 million people that could support and feed all kind of resistance and terrorist groups in Iran together with other already experienced Taliban afghans and Iraqi neighbours.

It's not a coincidence that Iran (ancient Persia), unlike all of its neighbours, never became a colony of any western power in the 19th and 20th century. I'm confident any serious geopolitik analyst in the CIA knows that a direct war against Iran would be a disaster for world economy, and it's not an issue to take lightly.

IMHO if Robo2014 want to play the Middle East card, they should go for the nameless/abstract middle-east country, as for example they did in videogame Metal Gear Solid 4, if I'm not wrong.


I guess Iran is also an irony in the movie. What we know from facts might be pretty much like you said but in the context of the movie, an occupation of Iran would have been much less costly, time consuming and much more practical due to the much higher efficiency rate provided by a mechanized army.

I suspect this is the whole point of choosing Iran - To enforce the idea that machines do much better, making it possible whatever is said to be impossible when it comes to military interventions. Of course this is also a bold criticism to the whole US foreign policies.




RB 943


ED-209-2013 remake-gun baby-food
beer
L-L2

L-L2



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 08 Mar 2012
Post Count: 554


Comment: RoboTrap is my friend Plus he can act intelligent and normal

News Topic Level 3/3 (Amount: 1) Great Robofan Level 1/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:11 pm Reply with quote

He Guys, you two above me! very good conversations!

Keep up the good conversation Saasouza and artuditu!




RB 5831


Saasouza
L-L1

L-L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Post Count: 430




News Topic Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:14 pm Reply with quote

beer :
He Guys, you two above me! very good conversations!

Keep up the good conversation Saasouza and artuditu!


I'd trade the conversation for a trailer.. but thanks anyway Wink




RB 943


ED-209-2013 remake-gun baby-food
Stan The Man
Bah Concepts Division

OCP4 - L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 05 Jun 2003
Post Count: 7025


Comment: I'm the guy in Old Archive.

Contest Winner Level 1/3 (Amount: 1) Great Robofan Level 3/3 (Amount: 1) Great Posts  Level 2/3 (Amount: 1) Public Trust - Level 1/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:06 pm Reply with quote

I think the above conversations veer a bit away from the main point, but they are good posts nevertheless. I'm pretty much with artu, though I think Seasouza makes a good point that the use of automatons and machines could be a key point that reduces risk, time and costs or at least increases odds. Plus the 'future' setting does allow them to fictionalize details - in R2014 the 'near future' Iran could be much weaker strategically-speaking, much like how the US was more vulnerable in the alternate 1980s of the original Red Dawn, and so forth. Bah. Just a thought.

Mexico and South Africa in the original film were just 'two-steps more' themes coming off of what was presently going on - there were plenty of problems and shit going on in South Africa and throughout Central America at the time. Of course it's ridiculous nowadays but it was a decent interpolation to make then. Who knows, the Middle East situations might be less sensitive in 20-odd years than now and people watching the remake then might think it's silly too. Who knows? Again though, I still think they could have gone for something more ambiguous, possibly even a weird choice to make it more over-the-top and absurd. But thats just me.

Back to what Raymond said, there are indeed events/situations that occur can lead to a delay in release of trailers or even whole films. Many films ended up getting pushed back on their releases when 9/11 occurred - The Hunted with Benicio del Toro and Tommy Lee Jones is a good example, it was slated for release in '01, but was pushed back when 9/11 happened and didn't come out 'til a year or maybe two after.

That said, I don't really agree with such decisions and I really don't think that is the case here though. They just need to put something out already. We're dyin' out here, even the fools who hate this damn thing. :roll:
_________________
I don't wanna pay that, PhotoBucket. Now maybe you haven't heard, but I'm the guy in old Archive. So hows about you just shit snow for a year and I'll figure out something else. Sayonara!




RB 52912


AirWolf OCP-stock ED-209-3D auto9 cobragun robocop3-gunarm alien-pulse-rifle Gun-T2 Mini Gun
Saasouza
L-L1

L-L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Post Count: 430




News Topic Level 2/3 (Amount: 1)
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:34 am Reply with quote

It's confirmed - The trailer is coming friday with Riddick:

That guy in the IMDB forum working as a projectionist just confirmed he received the trailer and that it's going to be attached with Riddick. He also says he have watched it and that it looks really good.

Here's his trailer description:

"Ok! here it goes!!! like i said, i only watched it once and in a hurry because there were people waitting to get in for the next show.. I def cant do a scene by scene, but heres as much as i can remember:

The trailer Opens with a scene of a drone flying a city (appropriate for our times) that looks alot like detroit, so im assuming it was supposed to be detroit.

At some point early on in the trailer they show all kinds of drones, both walking and flying kind, the entire ocp arsenal.. then keatons character states that they want to "put a man in a machine".

What follows is something we've all already heard about.. muphy is in his house, and his car's alarm goes off.. the scnene shows him stepping out of his house and pushing the button to turn it off, but the alarm keeps going..
Confused, he keeps pushing on the button as he walks up to his car , and then when he's just a couple feet away the car blows up.

and HERE is why i said its a hard PG-13! I dont remember what was said, but theres a scene where OCP seems to be trying to convince murphys wife to allow them to do this...and she asks "what kind of life is he going to have?" ... but then theres a scene that only lasts a few seconds of murphy laying there in the hospital badly burned and with one of his legs entirely blown off! He really looks in bad shape.. in think the PG 13 ratin is a product of the times, not that the movie is missing voilence. I think this sort of thing woul've landed you a R rating in 1987, but now it doesn't because we're all mentally ill. lol

Cuts to murphy waking up, again i dont remember specific dialogue but he appears very confused as to whats this thing attached to his body.. so he's asking questions, at this point his voice already sounds robotic, but kinda like in the original, his voice sounds robotic but you can tell its still his.
The OCP doctor/scientist dude explains to him that this is not attached to him, this is his body now.. Murphy freaks the F out and says "WHAT DID YOU DO TO ME!!"

At this point his suite looks big, and menacing, and the color scheme of the original.. the show a couple of close ups, and as a fan of the original its a process to get used to it but its definately cool.... At some point they show an OCP dude saying they wannam make him look more ba-dass, and thats where the black suit comes in....

now heres what you we're waitting to hear : The suit does look a LOT better in the movie, with the lighting and everything, it looks very very weavy, i did not feel i was looking at rubber anymore.

Everything they show in the movie makes him look more lethal, more aggresive, there isnt alot of mercy left in murphy.. I guess because a big part of the plot is that he is losing his humanity.

There is a moment in the trailer where a desperate Mrs Murphy goes "YOU GOTTA TALK TO YOUR CHILD!", and then they show a surreal moment where cyborg murphy kneels down and looks at his child, but it seemed to me like he was way gone by that point.

Theres a moment where keaton explains that his program gives him the ILLUSION of free will, but its not real. They can control him.

And my favorite part: when the trailer is just about done, you hear the classic "Dead or alive, you're coming with me" in a robotic voice, but you no longer hear murphy in it.. it sounds dark, and disturbing.. which is GREAT!!!

Sorry about the lack to detail, the whole thing is very fast paced.. the movie looks violent, not gory"


Link to the IMDB forum: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234721/board/nest/219246297?p=1




RB 943


ED-209-2013 remake-gun baby-food
Raymond
Sgt-L5

Sgt-L5



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 16 Nov 2012
Post Count: 384




Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:29 am Reply with quote

Sounds absolutely awesome with the exception of the car explosion thing.

Should have kept it like in the script. The point of doing it in a controlled way was to not risk damaging the brain etc. Explosion? that could go really wrong. Or maybe Omnicorp was cold enough to try it with more police officers if it had backfired with Murphy.


But the positive thing is the trailer seems to include the drones, multiple versions of the suit, the voice, violence etc etc.

Can't wait




RB 3724


Art Intellect
R-L1

R-L1



View user's profile Send private message

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
Post Count: 6




Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:43 am Reply with quote

Remember I broke the story first for the trailer attached to Riddick..... Please give me some recognition

Check the blog History for details




RB 27


Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RoboCop Archive Forum Index -> Front Page - Featured Topics All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 18, 19, 20, 21  Next

Download Topic

Jump to:  









The RoboCop Archive Messageboard
Powered by Omni Consumer Products and the phpBB Group