Duffy's Fate in RoboCop 2

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As always, apologies if this has been covered in the past.

Something occurred to me a while ago and I'd like to survey opinions on it.

I saw that horrific death scene when I was 10 or 11. What exactly do you think they do to him after the camera cuts away?

I've always assumed it's obvious - but actually the novelization and comic don't go into detail. And I wonder if actually we all think different things. Or maybe you just think, well they kill him - stop thinking about details Jim, you sicko.

I actually find that scene the most disturbing in the first two films.

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As always, apologies if this has been covered in the past.

Something occurred to me a while ago and I'd like to survey opinions on it.

I saw that horrific death scene when I was 10 or 11. What exactly do you think they do to him after the camera cuts away?

I've always assumed it's obvious - but actually the novelization and comic don't go into detail. And I wonder if actually we all think different things. Or maybe you just think, well they kill him - stop thinking about details Jim, you sicko.

I actually find that scene the most disturbing in the first two films.

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As always, apologies if this has been covered in the past.

Something occurred to me a while ago and I'd like to survey opinions on it.

I saw that horrific death scene when I was 10 or 11. What exactly do you think they do to him after the camera cuts away?

I've always assumed it's obvious - but actually the novelization and comic don't go into detail. And I wonder if actually we all think different things. Or maybe you just think, well they kill him - stop thinking about details Jim, you sicko.

I actually find that scene the most disturbing in the first two films.

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That's interesting. There's actually a similar scene in the Dead Or Alive comic.

Robo's dismantling obviously foreshadows it so we kind of know what Cain's like at that point.

I used to think it was a needlessly horrific scene (and I saw it in the cut version until 2002 as I live in the UK). Actually, it's clever in a way that it is gory, but it also leaves a massive amount to the imagination at the same time.

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That's interesting. There's actually a similar scene in the Dead Or Alive comic.

Robo's dismantling obviously foreshadows it so we kind of know what Cain's like at that point.

I used to think it was a needlessly horrific scene (and I saw it in the cut version until 2002 as I live in the UK). Actually, it's clever in a way that it is gory, but it also leaves a massive amount to the imagination at the same time.

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That's interesting. There's actually a similar scene in the Dead Or Alive comic.

Robo's dismantling obviously foreshadows it so we kind of know what Cain's like at that point.

I used to think it was a needlessly horrific scene (and I saw it in the cut version until 2002 as I live in the UK). Actually, it's clever in a way that it is gory, but it also leaves a massive amount to the imagination at the same time.

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The brain in the jar didn't bother me as much as the previous shot - Cain's POV of the labcoat walking around casually holding his face!

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The brain in the jar didn't bother me as much as the previous shot - Cain's POV of the labcoat walking around casually holding his face!

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The brain in the jar didn't bother me as much as the previous shot - Cain's POV of the labcoat walking around casually holding his face!

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I think Robo 2 tried to shock audiences on a lot of scenes, from the "stabbing heel on eye" from the begining, to Robo into pieces, dude shot in the eye and Duffy´s death and Cain´s brain. While I dislike things going on with eyes, those two pieces didn´t "hurt" me, found them even comical.

Robo2 came on 1990, so I was 6 when I saw it on the big screen (!). I remember a neighbour came with it on VHS when it came in. He rented it so my parents and I watched it. I kept spoiling all the movie, so they asked me to leave, and was so afraid of Cain while I was alone! Ah, memories...

As for Duffy´s death, yeah, it´s not fun to watch, but the violence and tone in this sequel is more "serious" than the previous one. Compare it to Emil´s death. While is brutal as hell (he explodes when Clarence hits him!), it has a "Warner Bros Cartoon, Looney Tunes" quality to it. Again, it´s something we already talked over and over, the tone of the sequels. I showed "RoboCop" to a friend and he cheered Emil´s death, to the point to ask me to put his death again.

I love Miller´s work but I don´t think his style didn´t translate well into the Robosequels.

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I think Robo 2 tried to shock audiences on a lot of scenes, from the "stabbing heel on eye" from the begining, to Robo into pieces, dude shot in the eye and Duffy´s death and Cain´s brain. While I dislike things going on with eyes, those two pieces didn´t "hurt" me, found them even comical.

Robo2 came on 1990, so I was 6 when I saw it on the big screen (!). I remember a neighbour came with it on VHS when it came in. He rented it so my parents and I watched it. I kept spoiling all the movie, so they asked me to leave, and was so afraid of Cain while I was alone! Ah, memories...

As for Duffy´s death, yeah, it´s not fun to watch, but the violence and tone in this sequel is more "serious" than the previous one. Compare it to Emil´s death. While is brutal as hell (he explodes when Clarence hits him!), it has a "Warner Bros Cartoon, Looney Tunes" quality to it. Again, it´s something we already talked over and over, the tone of the sequels. I showed "RoboCop" to a friend and he cheered Emil´s death, to the point to ask me to put his death again.

I love Miller´s work but I don´t think his style didn´t translate well into the Robosequels.

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I think Robo 2 tried to shock audiences on a lot of scenes, from the "stabbing heel on eye" from the begining, to Robo into pieces, dude shot in the eye and Duffy´s death and Cain´s brain. While I dislike things going on with eyes, those two pieces didn´t "hurt" me, found them even comical.

Robo2 came on 1990, so I was 6 when I saw it on the big screen (!). I remember a neighbour came with it on VHS when it came in. He rented it so my parents and I watched it. I kept spoiling all the movie, so they asked me to leave, and was so afraid of Cain while I was alone! Ah, memories...

As for Duffy´s death, yeah, it´s not fun to watch, but the violence and tone in this sequel is more "serious" than the previous one. Compare it to Emil´s death. While is brutal as hell (he explodes when Clarence hits him!), it has a "Warner Bros Cartoon, Looney Tunes" quality to it. Again, it´s something we already talked over and over, the tone of the sequels. I showed "RoboCop" to a friend and he cheered Emil´s death, to the point to ask me to put his death again.

I love Miller´s work but I don´t think his style didn´t translate well into the Robosequels.

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The gratuitous violence in Robocop 2 seems like a way to one-up for the sequel. I remember averting my gaze when Duffy met his end. The Cain operation scene was particularly gory, but what resonated with me was the sound of the bonesaw and the sounds of them removing his brain. The scene with the doctor holding the lower half of Cain's skull is indeed creepy. The special effects in that movie are very good overall (in a time with little to no cgi!).
This takes me a bit off topic, but as I read it made me think about how easily people can watch someone getting shot, but when someone starts to cut someone with a scalpel, it makes us cringe. I hate eye wounds in movies because they gross me out a bit. For some reason, I particularly hate hand wounds (like in the beginning of Darkman when Eddie Black lost his fingers with the cigar cutter). That stuff really bugs me!

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The gratuitous violence in Robocop 2 seems like a way to one-up for the sequel. I remember averting my gaze when Duffy met his end. The Cain operation scene was particularly gory, but what resonated with me was the sound of the bonesaw and the sounds of them removing his brain. The scene with the doctor holding the lower half of Cain's skull is indeed creepy. The special effects in that movie are very good overall (in a time with little to no cgi!).
This takes me a bit off topic, but as I read it made me think about how easily people can watch someone getting shot, but when someone starts to cut someone with a scalpel, it makes us cringe. I hate eye wounds in movies because they gross me out a bit. For some reason, I particularly hate hand wounds (like in the beginning of Darkman when Eddie Black lost his fingers with the cigar cutter). That stuff really bugs me!

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The gratuitous violence in Robocop 2 seems like a way to one-up for the sequel. I remember averting my gaze when Duffy met his end. The Cain operation scene was particularly gory, but what resonated with me was the sound of the bonesaw and the sounds of them removing his brain. The scene with the doctor holding the lower half of Cain's skull is indeed creepy. The special effects in that movie are very good overall (in a time with little to no cgi!).
This takes me a bit off topic, but as I read it made me think about how easily people can watch someone getting shot, but when someone starts to cut someone with a scalpel, it makes us cringe. I hate eye wounds in movies because they gross me out a bit. For some reason, I particularly hate hand wounds (like in the beginning of Darkman when Eddie Black lost his fingers with the cigar cutter). That stuff really bugs me!

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The gratuitous violence in Robocop 2 seems like a way to one-up for the sequel. I remember averting my gaze when Duffy met his end. The Cain operation scene was particularly gory, but what resonated with me was the sound of the bonesaw and the sounds of them removing his brain. The scene with the doctor holding the lower half of Cain's skull is indeed creepy. The special effects in that movie are very good overall (in a time with little to no cgi!).
This takes me a bit off topic, but as I read it made me think about how easily people can watch someone getting shot, but when someone starts to cut someone with a scalpel, it makes us cringe. I hate eye wounds in movies because they gross me out a bit. For some reason, I particularly hate hand wounds (like in the beginning of Darkman when Eddie Black lost his fingers with the cigar cutter). That stuff really bugs me!

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You know there's probably a really interesting point about how humans are trained to have adverse reactions to different forms of violence, but I'm no psychiatrist so its lost on me.

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You know there's probably a really interesting point about how humans are trained to have adverse reactions to different forms of violence, but I'm no psychiatrist so its lost on me.

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You know there's probably a really interesting point about how humans are trained to have adverse reactions to different forms of violence, but I'm no psychiatrist so its lost on me.

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You know there's probably a really interesting point about how humans are trained to have adverse reactions to different forms of violence, but I'm no psychiatrist so its lost on me.

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I always found the fact that Cain has a surgeon (presumably medically qualified) terrifying too. Apart from being disturbing, it shows the power and influence Cain has.

Clarence and Cain are both great villains because you genuinely feel they're dangerous and not to be fucked with. They have an almost heel-like quality (wrestling term) but are both intelligent and brutal.

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I always found the fact that Cain has a surgeon (presumably medically qualified) terrifying too. Apart from being disturbing, it shows the power and influence Cain has.

Clarence and Cain are both great villains because you genuinely feel they're dangerous and not to be fucked with. They have an almost heel-like quality (wrestling term) but are both intelligent and brutal.

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I always found the fact that Cain has a surgeon (presumably medically qualified) terrifying too. Apart from being disturbing, it shows the power and influence Cain has.

Clarence and Cain are both great villains because you genuinely feel they're dangerous and not to be fucked with. They have an almost heel-like quality (wrestling term) but are both intelligent and brutal.

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^ Oh yeah. Even there though those two characters reflect the tone of the two films - Clarence has a layer of humor and fun to him, vicious and sadistic though it may be. Cain not quite so much. Still though, you got it.

Anyway, an interesting thing about Duffy's death (for me anyway) is that it parallels somewhat with the death of Bob Morton in that, though he is a bad guy and we know he worked against the cops and Robo, you can't help but feel a bit sorry about his death at the hands of Cain, whatever he may have done he didn't quite deserve what happened to him, especially not that level of brutality and savageness.

However, unlike Bob, which we feel bad for because we mostly like his character and are fond of his contribution in the film (which is of course being the 'daddy' of RoboCop), Duffy's death is more sad in that moment and because of the manner in which he dies, which I guess would actually be more akin to Murphy's death in a way. Again, though, Murphy's death featured the macabre humor, laughing and jokes from Clarence and co - Which in some ways is actually more depraved but in spite of that does ease the tension of that moment, as opposed to here where again, it is just cold and shocking, no buffer or diffusion at all.
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^ Oh yeah. Even there though those two characters reflect the tone of the two films - Clarence has a layer of humor and fun to him, vicious and sadistic though it may be. Cain not quite so much. Still though, you got it.

Anyway, an interesting thing about Duffy's death (for me anyway) is that it parallels somewhat with the death of Bob Morton in that, though he is a bad guy and we know he worked against the cops and Robo, you can't help but feel a bit sorry about his death at the hands of Cain, whatever he may have done he didn't quite deserve what happened to him, especially not that level of brutality and savageness.

However, unlike Bob, which we feel bad for because we mostly like his character and are fond of his contribution in the film (which is of course being the 'daddy' of RoboCop), Duffy's death is more sad in that moment and because of the manner in which he dies, which I guess would actually be more akin to Murphy's death in a way. Again, though, Murphy's death featured the macabre humor, laughing and jokes from Clarence and co - Which in some ways is actually more depraved but in spite of that does ease the tension of that moment, as opposed to here where again, it is just cold and shocking, no buffer or diffusion at all.
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^ Oh yeah. Even there though those two characters reflect the tone of the two films - Clarence has a layer of humor and fun to him, vicious and sadistic though it may be. Cain not quite so much. Still though, you got it.

Anyway, an interesting thing about Duffy's death (for me anyway) is that it parallels somewhat with the death of Bob Morton in that, though he is a bad guy and we know he worked against the cops and Robo, you can't help but feel a bit sorry about his death at the hands of Cain, whatever he may have done he didn't quite deserve what happened to him, especially not that level of brutality and savageness.

However, unlike Bob, which we feel bad for because we mostly like his character and are fond of his contribution in the film (which is of course being the 'daddy' of RoboCop), Duffy's death is more sad in that moment and because of the manner in which he dies, which I guess would actually be more akin to Murphy's death in a way. Again, though, Murphy's death featured the macabre humor, laughing and jokes from Clarence and co - Which in some ways is actually more depraved but in spite of that does ease the tension of that moment, as opposed to here where again, it is just cold and shocking, no buffer or diffusion at all.
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^ Oh yeah. Even there though those two characters reflect the tone of the two films - Clarence has a layer of humor and fun to him, vicious and sadistic though it may be. Cain not quite so much. Still though, you got it.

Anyway, an interesting thing about Duffy's death (for me anyway) is that it parallels somewhat with the death of Bob Morton in that, though he is a bad guy and we know he worked against the cops and Robo, you can't help but feel a bit sorry about his death at the hands of Cain, whatever he may have done he didn't quite deserve what happened to him, especially not that level of brutality and savageness.

However, unlike Bob, which we feel bad for because we mostly like his character and are fond of his contribution in the film (which is of course being the 'daddy' of RoboCop), Duffy's death is more sad in that moment and because of the manner in which he dies, which I guess would actually be more akin to Murphy's death in a way. Again, though, Murphy's death featured the macabre humor, laughing and jokes from Clarence and co - Which in some ways is actually more depraved but in spite of that does ease the tension of that moment, as opposed to here where again, it is just cold and shocking, no buffer or diffusion at all.
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Good Comparison, Stan, Officer Duffy and Bob Morton's Deaths in the films are similar in that they are part of the futuristic corporate run, Robocop Universe, somewhat indirectly related to our protagonist's actions.
It might seem odd , but I think that killing Bob was more heinous crime. In his world, he was just the typical corporate climber (like Kinney) who was removed from the violence. The things that happen to him don't seem just to me (he may have pissed off Dick Jones, but he didn't commit any crime). Officer Duffy should have heeded Robocop's advice and "stayed out of trouble." When you deal with drug gangs, you're playing with fire.

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Good Comparison, Stan, Officer Duffy and Bob Morton's Deaths in the films are similar in that they are part of the futuristic corporate run, Robocop Universe, somewhat indirectly related to our protagonist's actions.
It might seem odd , but I think that killing Bob was more heinous crime. In his world, he was just the typical corporate climber (like Kinney) who was removed from the violence. The things that happen to him don't seem just to me (he may have pissed off Dick Jones, but he didn't commit any crime). Officer Duffy should have heeded Robocop's advice and "stayed out of trouble." When you deal with drug gangs, you're playing with fire.

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Good Comparison, Stan, Officer Duffy and Bob Morton's Deaths in the films are similar in that they are part of the futuristic corporate run, Robocop Universe, somewhat indirectly related to our protagonist's actions.
It might seem odd , but I think that killing Bob was more heinous crime. In his world, he was just the typical corporate climber (like Kinney) who was removed from the violence. The things that happen to him don't seem just to me (he may have pissed off Dick Jones, but he didn't commit any crime). Officer Duffy should have heeded Robocop's advice and "stayed out of trouble." When you deal with drug gangs, you're playing with fire.

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Good Comparison, Stan, Officer Duffy and Bob Morton's Deaths in the films are similar in that they are part of the futuristic corporate run, Robocop Universe, somewhat indirectly related to our protagonist's actions.
It might seem odd , but I think that killing Bob was more heinous crime. In his world, he was just the typical corporate climber (like Kinney) who was removed from the violence. The things that happen to him don't seem just to me (he may have pissed off Dick Jones, but he didn't commit any crime). Officer Duffy should have heeded Robocop's advice and "stayed out of trouble." When you deal with drug gangs, you're playing with fire.

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