Hob's death chat with Robo

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Nice prints HOB888, i wonder if they filmed this thing as they scripted, Robo would be less "nonsense".

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Nice prints HOB888, i wonder if they filmed this thing as they scripted, Robo would be less "nonsense".

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Nice prints HOB888, i wonder if they filmed this thing as they scripted, Robo would be less "nonsense".

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Good stuff HOB888.

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Good stuff HOB888.

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Good stuff HOB888.

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Y'know...I've had my complaints about RoboCop 2 in recent years, but Hob's death scene isn't one of them. I've always felt it was one of the better scenes in the film actually. It highlights the fact that in the end, Hob is just a scared little kid. All of his shockingly-adult posturing and unnerving criminal behavior is gone, and he finally resembles the kid you thought he really would have been had he not got caught-up in the criminal street life he was living. And it was particularly touching because we see another glimpse of Murphy's subtle humanity that surfaces every now and then. Then there's the echo of his own death experience when he tells Hob that "it won't hurt long"...there are so many layers, implications, and simple nuances in that one scene that stand out in that film for me and reminds me that the sequel was not always the lesser film I make it out to be in my own mind.

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Y'know...I've had my complaints about RoboCop 2 in recent years, but Hob's death scene isn't one of them. I've always felt it was one of the better scenes in the film actually. It highlights the fact that in the end, Hob is just a scared little kid. All of his shockingly-adult posturing and unnerving criminal behavior is gone, and he finally resembles the kid you thought he really would have been had he not got caught-up in the criminal street life he was living. And it was particularly touching because we see another glimpse of Murphy's subtle humanity that surfaces every now and then. Then there's the echo of his own death experience when he tells Hob that "it won't hurt long"...there are so many layers, implications, and simple nuances in that one scene that stand out in that film for me and reminds me that the sequel was not always the lesser film I make it out to be in my own mind.

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Y'know...I've had my complaints about RoboCop 2 in recent years, but Hob's death scene isn't one of them. I've always felt it was one of the better scenes in the film actually. It highlights the fact that in the end, Hob is just a scared little kid. All of his shockingly-adult posturing and unnerving criminal behavior is gone, and he finally resembles the kid you thought he really would have been had he not got caught-up in the criminal street life he was living. And it was particularly touching because we see another glimpse of Murphy's subtle humanity that surfaces every now and then. Then there's the echo of his own death experience when he tells Hob that "it won't hurt long"...there are so many layers, implications, and simple nuances in that one scene that stand out in that film for me and reminds me that the sequel was not always the lesser film I make it out to be in my own mind.

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I think it was fine the way it was, like someone said, it showed that Hob, at the end, is still just a frightened kid. I like that the dialogue is kept to bare minimum and the momentum and music does most of the work. The imagery of a childs bloody hand over money was also strong. I think Kershner made all the right decisions, I really didnt like how it was done in the scripts. Sometimes, less is more


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I think it was fine the way it was, like someone said, it showed that Hob, at the end, is still just a frightened kid. I like that the dialogue is kept to bare minimum and the momentum and music does most of the work. The imagery of a childs bloody hand over money was also strong. I think Kershner made all the right decisions, I really didnt like how it was done in the scripts. Sometimes, less is more


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I think it was fine the way it was, like someone said, it showed that Hob, at the end, is still just a frightened kid. I like that the dialogue is kept to bare minimum and the momentum and music does most of the work. The imagery of a childs bloody hand over money was also strong. I think Kershner made all the right decisions, I really didnt like how it was done in the scripts. Sometimes, less is more


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I think it was fine the way it was, like someone said, it showed that Hob, at the end, is still just a frightened kid. I like that the dialogue is kept to bare minimum and the momentum and music does most of the work. The imagery of a childs bloody hand over money was also strong. I think Kershner made all the right decisions, I really didnt like how it was done in the scripts. Sometimes, less is more


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Honestly, I think the final death scene in the movie is perfect just the way it is. Any longer and it would have ruined the pacing as well as the character to an extent. He got shot A LOT, so for him to bleed out and die quickly makes perfect sense. But in no way does the scene make Hobb seem weak in my opinion. It shows a very minuscule glimpse(just like in the Duffy murder scene) that he is after all, just a kid. But he's still a tough SOAB. Even on his death bed....of money.

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Honestly, I think the final death scene in the movie is perfect just the way it is. Any longer and it would have ruined the pacing as well as the character to an extent. He got shot A LOT, so for him to bleed out and die quickly makes perfect sense. But in no way does the scene make Hobb seem weak in my opinion. It shows a very minuscule glimpse(just like in the Duffy murder scene) that he is after all, just a kid. But he's still a tough SOAB. Even on his death bed....of money.

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Honestly, I think the final death scene in the movie is perfect just the way it is. Any longer and it would have ruined the pacing as well as the character to an extent. He got shot A LOT, so for him to bleed out and die quickly makes perfect sense. But in no way does the scene make Hobb seem weak in my opinion. It shows a very minuscule glimpse(just like in the Duffy murder scene) that he is after all, just a kid. But he's still a tough SOAB. Even on his death bed....of money.

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Honestly, I think the final death scene in the movie is perfect just the way it is. Any longer and it would have ruined the pacing as well as the character to an extent. He got shot A LOT, so for him to bleed out and die quickly makes perfect sense. But in no way does the scene make Hobb seem weak in my opinion. It shows a very minuscule glimpse(just like in the Duffy murder scene) that he is after all, just a kid. But he's still a tough SOAB. Even on his death bed....of money.

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I thought about this topic again and while I still think that Robo should have been a little less forgiving, something I just thought of has convinced me even more. Hob's character is similar to Emil's character in the first movie. Both are henchmen of sorts, and both have a larger role than other henchmen in both movies' evil gangs. While the first movie had more henchmen to work with (perhaps adding to the drama of the final battle scenes), Hob's death scene had a similar "day of reckoning" effect where the evil character is killed off by a greater evil character with whom they were once allied. However, even though both characters are similarly punished, Hob got much better treatment than Emil. Come on! He was transformed into Melty Man by toxic waste (instantly, I might add. It must have been REALLY potent stuff), and then he gets run over by Clarence in the 6000SUX! No one mourns! No chance to show regret! Just a messy and quick death! I think that Robocop 2 should have been more unforgiving of Hob, especially since he was far worse than Emil.

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I thought about this topic again and while I still think that Robo should have been a little less forgiving, something I just thought of has convinced me even more. Hob's character is similar to Emil's character in the first movie. Both are henchmen of sorts, and both have a larger role than other henchmen in both movies' evil gangs. While the first movie had more henchmen to work with (perhaps adding to the drama of the final battle scenes), Hob's death scene had a similar "day of reckoning" effect where the evil character is killed off by a greater evil character with whom they were once allied. However, even though both characters are similarly punished, Hob got much better treatment than Emil. Come on! He was transformed into Melty Man by toxic waste (instantly, I might add. It must have been REALLY potent stuff), and then he gets run over by Clarence in the 6000SUX! No one mourns! No chance to show regret! Just a messy and quick death! I think that Robocop 2 should have been more unforgiving of Hob, especially since he was far worse than Emil.

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I thought about this topic again and while I still think that Robo should have been a little less forgiving, something I just thought of has convinced me even more. Hob's character is similar to Emil's character in the first movie. Both are henchmen of sorts, and both have a larger role than other henchmen in both movies' evil gangs. While the first movie had more henchmen to work with (perhaps adding to the drama of the final battle scenes), Hob's death scene had a similar "day of reckoning" effect where the evil character is killed off by a greater evil character with whom they were once allied. However, even though both characters are similarly punished, Hob got much better treatment than Emil. Come on! He was transformed into Melty Man by toxic waste (instantly, I might add. It must have been REALLY potent stuff), and then he gets run over by Clarence in the 6000SUX! No one mourns! No chance to show regret! Just a messy and quick death! I think that Robocop 2 should have been more unforgiving of Hob, especially since he was far worse than Emil.

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I thought about this topic again and while I still think that Robo should have been a little less forgiving, something I just thought of has convinced me even more. Hob's character is similar to Emil's character in the first movie. Both are henchmen of sorts, and both have a larger role than other henchmen in both movies' evil gangs. While the first movie had more henchmen to work with (perhaps adding to the drama of the final battle scenes), Hob's death scene had a similar "day of reckoning" effect where the evil character is killed off by a greater evil character with whom they were once allied. However, even though both characters are similarly punished, Hob got much better treatment than Emil. Come on! He was transformed into Melty Man by toxic waste (instantly, I might add. It must have been REALLY potent stuff), and then he gets run over by Clarence in the 6000SUX! No one mourns! No chance to show regret! Just a messy and quick death! I think that Robocop 2 should have been more unforgiving of Hob, especially since he was far worse than Emil.

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And again, all the while I hear R2 is too nasty and mean. :roll:

I don't see Hob as bad as Emil personally, and equating them is flawed - Emil was directly involved in Murphy's death. Thus there's revenge motive there with Robo/Murphy, which is nothing like the case with Hob, who Robo as Murphy (once a father) sees as misguided and wasted youth, it's more tragedy than hate.

With that, Emil's death really deserved no regret. Furthermore, his death allowed no chance of 'mourning' either - He didn't have a (somewhat) drawn out death as was the case with Hob. Hob's death was that way as symbolism as has been noted, unlike Emil who was used as dark and macabre humor amidst the third act action.

Again, I don't see how the two are equatable, and thus don't see how there's a correlation that can be made supporting a 'Robo should have been meaner to a dying Hob' argument.
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And again, all the while I hear R2 is too nasty and mean. :roll:

I don't see Hob as bad as Emil personally, and equating them is flawed - Emil was directly involved in Murphy's death. Thus there's revenge motive there with Robo/Murphy, which is nothing like the case with Hob, who Robo as Murphy (once a father) sees as misguided and wasted youth, it's more tragedy than hate.

With that, Emil's death really deserved no regret. Furthermore, his death allowed no chance of 'mourning' either - He didn't have a (somewhat) drawn out death as was the case with Hob. Hob's death was that way as symbolism as has been noted, unlike Emil who was used as dark and macabre humor amidst the third act action.

Again, I don't see how the two are equatable, and thus don't see how there's a correlation that can be made supporting a 'Robo should have been meaner to a dying Hob' argument.
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And again, all the while I hear R2 is too nasty and mean. :roll:

I don't see Hob as bad as Emil personally, and equating them is flawed - Emil was directly involved in Murphy's death. Thus there's revenge motive there with Robo/Murphy, which is nothing like the case with Hob, who Robo as Murphy (once a father) sees as misguided and wasted youth, it's more tragedy than hate.

With that, Emil's death really deserved no regret. Furthermore, his death allowed no chance of 'mourning' either - He didn't have a (somewhat) drawn out death as was the case with Hob. Hob's death was that way as symbolism as has been noted, unlike Emil who was used as dark and macabre humor amidst the third act action.

Again, I don't see how the two are equatable, and thus don't see how there's a correlation that can be made supporting a 'Robo should have been meaner to a dying Hob' argument.
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And again, all the while I hear R2 is too nasty and mean. :roll:

I don't see Hob as bad as Emil personally, and equating them is flawed - Emil was directly involved in Murphy's death. Thus there's revenge motive there with Robo/Murphy, which is nothing like the case with Hob, who Robo as Murphy (once a father) sees as misguided and wasted youth, it's more tragedy than hate.

With that, Emil's death really deserved no regret. Furthermore, his death allowed no chance of 'mourning' either - He didn't have a (somewhat) drawn out death as was the case with Hob. Hob's death was that way as symbolism as has been noted, unlike Emil who was used as dark and macabre humor amidst the third act action.

Again, I don't see how the two are equatable, and thus don't see how there's a correlation that can be made supporting a 'Robo should have been meaner to a dying Hob' argument.
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