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Robomania R-L3
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:47 am |
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I didn't realise there was a buyout going on. I remember thinking 'yes it's moving forwards' when we got the tweets about keeping the original suit design (which I was pleased about) and I think another about writing in progress, also there were talks with Weller? and now here we are, I'm not sure at what point it's safe to feel that a movie is happening (with any movie announced I mean), I guess when it's been shot Just gotta wait out for more news I guess.
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:59 pm |
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I guess RoboCop won´t Return unless he´s doing a cameo on TV ads. The lack of updates doesn´t look too promising for the project.
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Judge Black R-L4
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:09 pm |
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Spectrum Scarlet : | In any case, I don’t hold out much hope for this anymore. James Mangold, who directed “Cop Land”, “Logan” and “The Wolverine”, just signed on last month to replace Steven Spielberg on the next Indiana Jones movie. He would’ve been perfect for a RoboCop picture and doesn’t seem the pretentious type either.
He’s done pure commercial/mainstream popcorn-flicks amongst character-driven dramas and they’ve earned him Academy Award nominations, while his actors have taken home theirs. I saw “Cop Land” last week and it was incredible, the way he shot and edited that. Had somewhat of a Paul Verhoeven feel to it with its independent look & style. Gritty, without going documentary/handheld with the camera.
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I don't think Mangold has ever shown much of a talent for satirical, sardonic humour. Verhoeven is a master at juggling different tones in a single scene, let alone a whole film.
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Spectrum Scarlet Sgt-L1*
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:24 am |
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Judge Black : | I don't think Mangold has ever shown much of a talent for satirical, sardonic humour. Verhoeven is a master at juggling different tones in a single scene, let alone a whole film. |
Think “Logan” had some examples of that, didn’t it? Doubt he’d be any less able than Blomkamp. Haven’t seen much of his work, but what I saw of “District 9” didn’t stand out in that regard.
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:19 pm |
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Ehh, who needs James Mangold when we've got the pretty much unknown Abe Forsythe and the writer of "Terminator Dark fate" doing RoboCop returns...
Oh dear...
Anyway, I'm pretty much assuming with the current Corona virus thing going on that production has effectively halted on any new Robo movie. Before things calm down I expect Abe to jump ship to something else.
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Rick CH-L4
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:55 pm |
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But I thought MGM were desperate to move ahead and didn't want to wait...? :roll: :roll: _________________
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Judge Black R-L4
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:53 pm |
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Spectrum Scarlet : | Judge Black : | I don't think Mangold has ever shown much of a talent for satirical, sardonic humour. Verhoeven is a master at juggling different tones in a single scene, let alone a whole film. |
Think “Logan” had some examples of that, didn’t it? Doubt he’d be any less able than Blomkamp. Haven’t seen much of his work, but what I saw of “District 9” didn’t stand out in that regard. |
I don't remember Logan having much satirical humour but I wouldn't recommend Blomkamp either, although District 9 is much closer to the tone of RoboCop than anything Mangold has ever directed. You'd need someone closer to the sensibilities of Matthew Vaughn, James Gunn or Taika Waititi. Directors who know how to juggle different tones.
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Spectrum Scarlet Sgt-L1*
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:40 am |
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Judge Black : | I don't remember Logan having much satirical humour but I wouldn't recommend Blomkamp either, although District 9 is much closer to the tone of RoboCop than anything Mangold has ever directed. You'd need someone closer to the sensibilities of Matthew Vaughn, James Gunn or Taika Waititi. Directors who know how to juggle different tones. |
Vaughn, maybe. The other two, I haven’t seen their work. Any particular examples?
It’s a shame Alex Proyas’ career never took off. “I, ROBOT” with Will Smith is the closest thing to a RoboCop movie since the 3rd film. The atmosphere, story, design, visuals. It’s practically set in a Delta City world.
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AceAlive1 Sgt-L1*
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:08 pm |
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Spectrum Scarlet : | Judge Black : | I don't remember Logan having much satirical humour but I wouldn't recommend Blomkamp either, although District 9 is much closer to the tone of RoboCop than anything Mangold has ever directed. You'd need someone closer to the sensibilities of Matthew Vaughn, James Gunn or Taika Waititi. Directors who know how to juggle different tones. |
It’s a shame Alex Proyas’ career never took off. “I, ROBOT” with Will Smith is the closest thing to a RoboCop movie since the 3rd film. The atmosphere, story, design, visuals. It’s practically set in a Delta City world. |
from talking with people who know him , alex proyas is utterly disgusted with hollywood. its terrible because he made some really great films that didn't do massive numbers but were either copied or are about to be remade by others.
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:45 pm |
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Due to the lack of news (I think the project is dead right now) and the tons of teasers and videos from the Mortal Kombat thing, where a lot of people thinks Weller wasn´t doing his best to portray Robo, it would be fun to know if you think having him playing Murphy again would be a good idea.
I´m sure in the visual aspect it´d be interesting to see, but I´m afraid he wouldn´t try so hard to emulate what he did with the character in the previous films. I could imagine him moving like Fletcher (even with a mo-cap system or whatever) and talking like a regular guy.
Just to kill time, as I doubt the project will be made.
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Spectrum Scarlet Sgt-L1*
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:44 pm |
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No. It wouldn't be. We don't need Weller to voice or mo-cap the character. It can be someone else as skilled as he was. To take over and put their stamp on RoboCop, and be the new standard. We don't even see his Murphy's face (and shouldn't) for three-quarters of the movie. It should have stayed that way for the Kinnaman remake, along with the blue suit, of course.
People need to forget this idea of a 'true' sequel with Weller & Verhoeven at the helm. We just need a better, more balanced stab at the first, then follow that up with an improved 2.
Do the same with 3. Plenty of ways they can go about it. Would be a huge improvement on the trilogy and bring it up to today's standards. In storytelling and effects. CGI only for ED-209. The original design, not Padilha's, and the same goes for the buildings. Shoot again in Texas for that Southern feel and aesthetic. Maybe some location work in Detroit.
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RoboPimp PIMPY SUPREME
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:07 am |
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Spectrum Scarlet : | People need to forget this idea of a 'true' sequel with Weller & Verhoeven at the helm. We just need a better, more balanced stab at the first, then follow that up with an improved 2.
Do the same with 3. Plenty of ways they can go about it. Would be a huge improvement on the trilogy and bring it up to today's standards. In storytelling and effects. CGI only for ED-209. The original design, not Padilha's, and the same goes for the buildings. Shoot again in Texas for that Southern feel and aesthetic. Maybe some location work in Detroit. |
Do we, though? The first film was perfect, I don't think we need to 'stab' its corpse again. There have been plenty of attempts over the years, the reboot tried to retell the story exactly and pretty much any 'secondary' media like the comics, series, PD, etc generally ignore the sequels and try to continue off of only the first film. If you want an 'improved' R2 or R3, read Avatar or BOOM!'s respective adaptions of Frank Miller's script for RoboCop 2/3 respectively. Does any RoboCop fan really get excited about the idea of another project that simply intends to show Alex Murphy die and become Robocop? There's already a perfect version of that story. I don't need to hear it again.
I want RoboCop to move forward. It doesn't have to be a direct sequel or make any specific connections to past RoboCop lore. His origin isn't hard to explain, and the person Alex Murphy was before he became RoboCop is not very important and both versions of that story make it clear. The original RoboCop spends a scant few minutes introducing us to him as you said yourself. The reboot spends much more time and it does nothing to improve the story showing how unimportant it really is. If audiences don't know the details, it's not hard to catch them up to speed without spending a whole movie explaining it, hoping the movie does good, and then gets a sequel. I refuse to believe that there are no good new RoboCop stories to be told.
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Spectrum Scarlet Sgt-L1*
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:31 am |
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RoboPimp : | The first film was perfect […] There's already a perfect version of that story. I don't need to hear it again. |
I don't think it's perfect. It's great, but not perfect. There's considerable room for further development and expansion in the characters. The plotline and themes as well. The production values are also very low by today's standards now. It's a very cheap-looking film that hasn't aged well. The stop-motion effects, set builds, the lack of finish on the suit and most of the pyrotechnics; they just let it down.
The latter are more smoke n' mirrors (flashes/sparkles) than violent, visceral blasts. With numerous fragments going off in all directions and ample napalm to simulate the fireballs. It's not spectacular enough to encourage new, younger viewers to give it a shot. That's where I'm coming from on this.
If I was Paul Verhoeven or Jon Davison, I'd go back and reshoot those, to at least bring it up to modern day standards and launch a new franchise. Re-release nationwide across the US and UK, then consider continuing the story arcs with the original having been given 'an upgrade' to allow that. Like George Lucas with "Star Wars", bolster and retrofit the existing '87 cut with new effects, live-action footage, and if it performs exceptionally, embark on a new series and pen the sequels the way they should have been. With or without Weller and co.
RoboPimp : | I want RoboCop to move forward. It doesn't have to be a direct sequel or make any specific connections to past RoboCop lore. His origin isn't hard to explain, and the person Alex Murphy was before he became RoboCop is not very important and both versions of that story make it clear. The original RoboCop spends a scant few minutes introducing us to him as you said yourself. The reboot spends much more time and it does nothing to improve the story showing how unimportant it really is. If audiences don't know the details, it's not hard to catch them up to speed without spending a whole movie explaining it, hoping the movie does good, and then gets a sequel. I refuse to believe that there are no good new RoboCop stories to be told. |
I do too, Pimp. I really, sincerely do. But we're never going to get that without some form of the above. To update what's already there and attract new fans. The younger generation who the studios want tolling through the ticket booths at the box-offices don't care or don't even know of "RoboCop". It's not on their radar. It hasn't got that appeal. They may have heard of it and tuned into a TV showing. But then tuned out after watching the first 5-10 minutes. It's not your typical, conventional opening to a commercial, action 'superhero' movie, but I wouldn't drop that either if a new 'Special Edition' edit were attempted to appeal to them. I would open up with the originally scripted sequence, where Fredrickson and his partner are wounded and killed.
The remake didn't go about it the right way in developing Murphy before he was murdered. Kinnaman was too dull, boring and lifeless in his performance. He was better as Robo ironically. But not Alex. The opposite of Page Fletcher, for example. I didn't say I'd want a remake to spend its entire running time going over his humanity. Delving deeper into his psyche. I wouldn't want him being reunited with his family or them knowing of his existence. That was a mistake and the concept was lost. It's all down to casting and writing. Dialogue or lack of it in in some cases.
There's a myriad of new stories to be presented and depicted in the world of "RoboCop". No question about it. It's all there to pull and extrapolate from in the original movie, and furthermore, the script itself. There was material unfilmed, such as the helicopter sequence where Murphy's dead body is strapped to the skid on a stretcher and his whole life is flashing before him in the night, starlit sky. I would have LOVED to have seen that shot. Even if it hadn't made the final cut.
Miller, Dekker and some of "The Series" writers (incl. Neumeier & Miner on the 'Pilot' episode) did very well in achieving some of that. But there's more to be had - a lot more. A whole timeline of the amalgamation and unification between Old Detroit/Delta City is yet to be explored. That alone is absolutely fascinating to me. A goldmine of potential.
With the success of the "Mortal Kombat" starring role for Murphy/RoboCop - not to mention Weller prepared to voice him again, if the money's there - all things considered and how much less it would cost to produce, I think going down the animated route, direct-to-DVD/BluRay and streamers, is the right way to go. The possibilities are endless with no limitations whatsoever. Weller's got experience with that. His stint as "Batman".
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:51 pm |
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Spectrum Scarlet : | Like George Lucas with "Star Wars", bolster and retrofit the existing '87 cut with new effects, live-action footage. |
Hell, no. I´m tired of Lucas craziness over his past work. It won´t be perfect; stop getting more CGI crap that doesn´t add anything. Also, he won´t let people get an HD version of the original films. I´ve seen the original trilogy and I´d love to own it on Blu Ray as it was originally intended.
Spectrum Scarlet : | The younger generation who the studios want tolling through the ticket booths at the box-offices don't care or don't even know of "RoboCop". It's not on their radar. It hasn't got that appeal. They may have heard of it and tuned into a TV showing. But then tuned out after watching the first 5-10 minutes. |
Well, The Series did their job perfectly: in a single minute for it´s opening you know who RoboCop is. There´s no need to tell the same story over and over. It happens with Batman as well: I´m sure more than 75% of the population know his origin, but it keeps popping over and over on films. I liked the Adam West 66 approach: he told the story on a sentence or two in the first episodes.
A Netflix live action series would work fine. You could go dark and violent and develop the story. But I´d love a "RoboCop Returns" with the script from Neumeier & Miner. Yes, we´ve heard crazy stuff about their ideas, but I´d prefer to know what the creators of the character had in mind, even if that´d fail miserably, than another attempt to do more of the same, or a PG-13, cool for the kids, reboot with no soul.
Spectrum Scarlet : | It's not your typical, conventional opening to a commercial, action 'superhero' movie. |
And thank god for that.
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