RoboCop 2 - What happened?

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As a cyborg, Robo was never more human than in R2 when all the directives disappeared.
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As a cyborg, Robo was never more human than in R2 when all the directives disappeared.
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[JohnBoyAdvance]

I enjoyed the hell out of Robocop 2.

But, I think where it stumbles is that it just feels mean to watch. Hob, the kids in the arcade, the kids in the street, the couple in the limo at the start, Duffy's interrogation and death, hell even at the end where the old man is literally stepping over a body to get in the car. It kinda gets you down. Your big triumphant moment is tainted.

I think its overall a misunderstanding of dark humour.

I also think it needs a better pacing. After Robocop crashes into Cain's van, you barely see him again whilst Faxx and Hob plots. Yeah there was meant to be a scene in the Robocop 2 lab with Robo and Lewis. But that was gone. Dunno what you can do without a bit of a complete re-shift.

Overall I think they did the best of a bodge job.

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I enjoyed the hell out of Robocop 2.

But, I think where it stumbles is that it just feels mean to watch. Hob, the kids in the arcade, the kids in the street, the couple in the limo at the start, Duffy's interrogation and death, hell even at the end where the old man is literally stepping over a body to get in the car. It kinda gets you down. Your big triumphant moment is tainted.

I think its overall a misunderstanding of dark humour.

I also think it needs a better pacing. After Robocop crashes into Cain's van, you barely see him again whilst Faxx and Hob plots. Yeah there was meant to be a scene in the Robocop 2 lab with Robo and Lewis. But that was gone. Dunno what you can do without a bit of a complete re-shift.

Overall I think they did the best of a bodge job.

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I enjoyed the hell out of Robocop 2.

But, I think where it stumbles is that it just feels mean to watch. Hob, the kids in the arcade, the kids in the street, the couple in the limo at the start, Duffy's interrogation and death, hell even at the end where the old man is literally stepping over a body to get in the car. It kinda gets you down. Your big triumphant moment is tainted.

I think its overall a misunderstanding of dark humour.

I also think it needs a better pacing. After Robocop crashes into Cain's van, you barely see him again whilst Faxx and Hob plots. Yeah there was meant to be a scene in the Robocop 2 lab with Robo and Lewis. But that was gone. Dunno what you can do without a bit of a complete re-shift.

Overall I think they did the best of a bodge job.

[RoboWags]

RoboCop 2 was never a problem for me. I think they would've benefited much greater with Verhoeven at the helm and we would've gotten a much better movie, but director aside I feel the movie still added depth to the characters. It certainly did more for them than Robo 3 did... It still felt like a RoboCop movie to me and I think that's important.
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RoboCop 2 was never a problem for me. I think they would've benefited much greater with Verhoeven at the helm and we would've gotten a much better movie, but director aside I feel the movie still added depth to the characters. It certainly did more for them than Robo 3 did... It still felt like a RoboCop movie to me and I think that's important.
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RoboCop 2 was never a problem for me. I think they would've benefited much greater with Verhoeven at the helm and we would've gotten a much better movie, but director aside I feel the movie still added depth to the characters. It certainly did more for them than Robo 3 did... It still felt like a RoboCop movie to me and I think that's important.
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RoboCop 2 was never a problem for me. I think they would've benefited much greater with Verhoeven at the helm and we would've gotten a much better movie, but director aside I feel the movie still added depth to the characters. It certainly did more for them than Robo 3 did... It still felt like a RoboCop movie to me and I think that's important.
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[Stan The Man]

JBA and Wags both pretty much said it for me.. R2 got a lot wrong and went too dark and harsh, but despite that it still feels like RoboCop.
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JBA and Wags both pretty much said it for me.. R2 got a lot wrong and went too dark and harsh, but despite that it still feels like RoboCop.
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JBA and Wags both pretty much said it for me.. R2 got a lot wrong and went too dark and harsh, but despite that it still feels like RoboCop.
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JBA and Wags both pretty much said it for me.. R2 got a lot wrong and went too dark and harsh, but despite that it still feels like RoboCop.
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[artuditu]

R2 has some weirdness to it that makes it different from almost anything else. I think it's mostly thanks to Frank Miller screenplay and the year 1990, just when the 80's were dying and we got other crazy movies like Total Recall, Predator 2, Ninja Turtles, Dick Tracy... All of them have a freakish or exaggerated tone... And there is the violence, Total Recall, Predator 2 and Robocop 2 are among the goriest mainstream films of their time, which for Pred and Robo it turned out to be too mean-spirited, even if they still have lots of fun stuff.

Then James Cameron reached a new height with Terminator 2, introduced CGI and the tone was more mainstream, serious and polished, with no weird stuff. Talking about dates, I just realized there was a Robocop 2 before Terminator 2

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R2 has some weirdness to it that makes it different from almost anything else. I think it's mostly thanks to Frank Miller screenplay and the year 1990, just when the 80's were dying and we got other crazy movies like Total Recall, Predator 2, Ninja Turtles, Dick Tracy... All of them have a freakish or exaggerated tone... And there is the violence, Total Recall, Predator 2 and Robocop 2 are among the goriest mainstream films of their time, which for Pred and Robo it turned out to be too mean-spirited, even if they still have lots of fun stuff.

Then James Cameron reached a new height with Terminator 2, introduced CGI and the tone was more mainstream, serious and polished, with no weird stuff. Talking about dates, I just realized there was a Robocop 2 before Terminator 2

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R2 has some weirdness to it that makes it different from almost anything else. I think it's mostly thanks to Frank Miller screenplay and the year 1990, just when the 80's were dying and we got other crazy movies like Total Recall, Predator 2, Ninja Turtles, Dick Tracy... All of them have a freakish or exaggerated tone... And there is the violence, Total Recall, Predator 2 and Robocop 2 are among the goriest mainstream films of their time, which for Pred and Robo it turned out to be too mean-spirited, even if they still have lots of fun stuff.

Then James Cameron reached a new height with Terminator 2, introduced CGI and the tone was more mainstream, serious and polished, with no weird stuff. Talking about dates, I just realized there was a Robocop 2 before Terminator 2

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R2 has some weirdness to it that makes it different from almost anything else. I think it's mostly thanks to Frank Miller screenplay and the year 1990, just when the 80's were dying and we got other crazy movies like Total Recall, Predator 2, Ninja Turtles, Dick Tracy... All of them have a freakish or exaggerated tone... And there is the violence, Total Recall, Predator 2 and Robocop 2 are among the goriest mainstream films of their time, which for Pred and Robo it turned out to be too mean-spirited, even if they still have lots of fun stuff.

Then James Cameron reached a new height with Terminator 2, introduced CGI and the tone was more mainstream, serious and polished, with no weird stuff. Talking about dates, I just realized there was a Robocop 2 before Terminator 2

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The comments about R2 being too harsh in a time when movies were losing their edge got me thinking. You all have made a good point about 90s movies (continuing to the present), they are meant for all audiences despite the rating system. The filmmakers and the production companies want to fill those seat and have the half billion dollar box office returns. Robocop was not meant for everyone. In fact coming from Verhoeven, it was more like an independent film, which are sometimes made with no mainstream audience in mind. It reads to me like a work of art (not just because I am a fan), but in the way art is a reflection of life. It spoke to the political and societal issues at the time and put a humorous spin on them, in a serious movie. That being said, Robocop 2 was probably written to be artful, by the way in makes comments on crime, the drug war, political and corporate deals, etc. but it was not executed nearly as well. I have read that Irvin Kershner did not have the same rapport with the actors on the film and that his vision for the movie was not what the writers had intended. In fact, its as though he was trying to make a typical mainstream 90s movie, with as much violence jammed into it as possible.
I always felt that it should have been darker, more serious in tone. The Robocop 2 score was also detrimental for me on account of it being less ominous and instead of mournful, it sounds like some triumphant overture with the "Robocop" chants in the chorus! [/list]

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The comments about R2 being too harsh in a time when movies were losing their edge got me thinking. You all have made a good point about 90s movies (continuing to the present), they are meant for all audiences despite the rating system. The filmmakers and the production companies want to fill those seat and have the half billion dollar box office returns. Robocop was not meant for everyone. In fact coming from Verhoeven, it was more like an independent film, which are sometimes made with no mainstream audience in mind. It reads to me like a work of art (not just because I am a fan), but in the way art is a reflection of life. It spoke to the political and societal issues at the time and put a humorous spin on them, in a serious movie. That being said, Robocop 2 was probably written to be artful, by the way in makes comments on crime, the drug war, political and corporate deals, etc. but it was not executed nearly as well. I have read that Irvin Kershner did not have the same rapport with the actors on the film and that his vision for the movie was not what the writers had intended. In fact, its as though he was trying to make a typical mainstream 90s movie, with as much violence jammed into it as possible.
I always felt that it should have been darker, more serious in tone. The Robocop 2 score was also detrimental for me on account of it being less ominous and instead of mournful, it sounds like some triumphant overture with the "Robocop" chants in the chorus! [/list]

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The comments about R2 being too harsh in a time when movies were losing their edge got me thinking. You all have made a good point about 90s movies (continuing to the present), they are meant for all audiences despite the rating system. The filmmakers and the production companies want to fill those seat and have the half billion dollar box office returns. Robocop was not meant for everyone. In fact coming from Verhoeven, it was more like an independent film, which are sometimes made with no mainstream audience in mind. It reads to me like a work of art (not just because I am a fan), but in the way art is a reflection of life. It spoke to the political and societal issues at the time and put a humorous spin on them, in a serious movie. That being said, Robocop 2 was probably written to be artful, by the way in makes comments on crime, the drug war, political and corporate deals, etc. but it was not executed nearly as well. I have read that Irvin Kershner did not have the same rapport with the actors on the film and that his vision for the movie was not what the writers had intended. In fact, its as though he was trying to make a typical mainstream 90s movie, with as much violence jammed into it as possible.
I always felt that it should have been darker, more serious in tone. The Robocop 2 score was also detrimental for me on account of it being less ominous and instead of mournful, it sounds like some triumphant overture with the "Robocop" chants in the chorus! [/list]

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The comments about R2 being too harsh in a time when movies were losing their edge got me thinking. You all have made a good point about 90s movies (continuing to the present), they are meant for all audiences despite the rating system. The filmmakers and the production companies want to fill those seat and have the half billion dollar box office returns. Robocop was not meant for everyone. In fact coming from Verhoeven, it was more like an independent film, which are sometimes made with no mainstream audience in mind. It reads to me like a work of art (not just because I am a fan), but in the way art is a reflection of life. It spoke to the political and societal issues at the time and put a humorous spin on them, in a serious movie. That being said, Robocop 2 was probably written to be artful, by the way in makes comments on crime, the drug war, political and corporate deals, etc. but it was not executed nearly as well. I have read that Irvin Kershner did not have the same rapport with the actors on the film and that his vision for the movie was not what the writers had intended. In fact, its as though he was trying to make a typical mainstream 90s movie, with as much violence jammed into it as possible.
I always felt that it should have been darker, more serious in tone. The Robocop 2 score was also detrimental for me on account of it being less ominous and instead of mournful, it sounds like some triumphant overture with the "Robocop" chants in the chorus! [/list]

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[RoboJOF]

That's true, Hobb. I still love Robocop 2, but while the score was what you might expect in a superhero movie (big booming instruments, a rousing main theme), it doesn't seem to match the film's mood at times. But I guess when you are a composer and your are given the task of creating music for a Robocop movie, knowing that he has become hero in comics, tv, etc., I shouldn't be too surprised with what was written.

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That's true, Hobb. I still love Robocop 2, but while the score was what you might expect in a superhero movie (big booming instruments, a rousing main theme), it doesn't seem to match the film's mood at times. But I guess when you are a composer and your are given the task of creating music for a Robocop movie, knowing that he has become hero in comics, tv, etc., I shouldn't be too surprised with what was written.

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That's true, Hobb. I still love Robocop 2, but while the score was what you might expect in a superhero movie (big booming instruments, a rousing main theme), it doesn't seem to match the film's mood at times. But I guess when you are a composer and your are given the task of creating music for a Robocop movie, knowing that he has become hero in comics, tv, etc., I shouldn't be too surprised with what was written.

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That's true, Hobb. I still love Robocop 2, but while the score was what you might expect in a superhero movie (big booming instruments, a rousing main theme), it doesn't seem to match the film's mood at times. But I guess when you are a composer and your are given the task of creating music for a Robocop movie, knowing that he has become hero in comics, tv, etc., I shouldn't be too surprised with what was written.

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I hope you guys don't feel like I'm bringing up an old thread, but I found myself reviewing everyone's comments here (including my own) again, and I've always wanted to write an analysis of R2. I feel I'm a bit closer today to this than I have been in a long time, as I'm doing some preliminary work starting with this thread. I think each of you have brought up some REALLY great points. I hope I can continue this work we have all laid the foundation for here.

More news at 11!

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I hope you guys don't feel like I'm bringing up an old thread, but I found myself reviewing everyone's comments here (including my own) again, and I've always wanted to write an analysis of R2. I feel I'm a bit closer today to this than I have been in a long time, as I'm doing some preliminary work starting with this thread. I think each of you have brought up some REALLY great points. I hope I can continue this work we have all laid the foundation for here.

More news at 11!

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I hope you guys don't feel like I'm bringing up an old thread, but I found myself reviewing everyone's comments here (including my own) again, and I've always wanted to write an analysis of R2. I feel I'm a bit closer today to this than I have been in a long time, as I'm doing some preliminary work starting with this thread. I think each of you have brought up some REALLY great points. I hope I can continue this work we have all laid the foundation for here.

More news at 11!

[LaughingSnowman]

I get depressed watching R2 so I choose not to watch it anymore. I don't even find it fun because it has such a discouraging feel to it.

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I get depressed watching R2 so I choose not to watch it anymore. I don't even find it fun because it has such a discouraging feel to it.

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I get depressed watching R2 so I choose not to watch it anymore. I don't even find it fun because it has such a discouraging feel to it.

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