The Old Man Topic.

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everyone says that the old man was nice in robocop 1 but i've known all along that he isn't. just watch the scene where he says to dick jones 'you call this a glitch?' and then goes on to say about how much the temporary setback is going to cost. he's angry about money, not about the executive just getting killed in the meeting. =asshole
in the final scene dick jones has a gun to his head so naturally when robocop kills him he is pleased with robocop, and he shakes it off like nothing happened. =still an asshole
obviously by robocop 2 he has realised that robocop is actually for the cops and not OCP.
he was an asshole all along.
if anything, the character got changed dramatically in the tv series.

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everyone says that the old man was nice in robocop 1 but i've known all along that he isn't. just watch the scene where he says to dick jones 'you call this a glitch?' and then goes on to say about how much the temporary setback is going to cost. he's angry about money, not about the executive just getting killed in the meeting. =asshole
in the final scene dick jones has a gun to his head so naturally when robocop kills him he is pleased with robocop, and he shakes it off like nothing happened. =still an asshole
obviously by robocop 2 he has realised that robocop is actually for the cops and not OCP.
he was an asshole all along.
if anything, the character got changed dramatically in the tv series.

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everyone says that the old man was nice in robocop 1 but i've known all along that he isn't. just watch the scene where he says to dick jones 'you call this a glitch?' and then goes on to say about how much the temporary setback is going to cost. he's angry about money, not about the executive just getting killed in the meeting. =asshole
in the final scene dick jones has a gun to his head so naturally when robocop kills him he is pleased with robocop, and he shakes it off like nothing happened. =still an asshole
obviously by robocop 2 he has realised that robocop is actually for the cops and not OCP.
he was an asshole all along.
if anything, the character got changed dramatically in the tv series.

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everyone says that the old man was nice in robocop 1 but i've known all along that he isn't. just watch the scene where he says to dick jones 'you call this a glitch?' and then goes on to say about how much the temporary setback is going to cost. he's angry about money, not about the executive just getting killed in the meeting. =asshole
in the final scene dick jones has a gun to his head so naturally when robocop kills him he is pleased with robocop, and he shakes it off like nothing happened. =still an asshole
obviously by robocop 2 he has realised that robocop is actually for the cops and not OCP.
he was an asshole all along.
if anything, the character got changed dramatically in the tv series.

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The old man really was cold in all the movies,

*Dick! I'm very disappointed....(dick) im sure its just a glitch, a temporary setback....(old man)you call this a glitch!? your temporary setback could cost us 90 million in interest payments alone!*
Not...
*(old man)That damned machine killed kinney! you bastard!*

I think its time we gave something back! *forcing the city of detroit to live in a giant metropolis called DELTA CITY, whether they wanted to or not.. A utopian idea unrealistically pursued by crushing the status quo.

Old mans main drive was money and business, not helping people or making cops happy... I thought he was awesome in Robocop, but in 2 his character seemed to be written in poorly to the script, like his original premise was lost when dick pulled a peter pan at the end of 1.... he didnt care that robocop saved his ass in 1, he said he did a good job sure, but we need something better! wtf OLD MAN!

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The old man really was cold in all the movies,

*Dick! I'm very disappointed....(dick) im sure its just a glitch, a temporary setback....(old man)you call this a glitch!? your temporary setback could cost us 90 million in interest payments alone!*
Not...
*(old man)That damned machine killed kinney! you bastard!*

I think its time we gave something back! *forcing the city of detroit to live in a giant metropolis called DELTA CITY, whether they wanted to or not.. A utopian idea unrealistically pursued by crushing the status quo.

Old mans main drive was money and business, not helping people or making cops happy... I thought he was awesome in Robocop, but in 2 his character seemed to be written in poorly to the script, like his original premise was lost when dick pulled a peter pan at the end of 1.... he didnt care that robocop saved his ass in 1, he said he did a good job sure, but we need something better! wtf OLD MAN!

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The old man really was cold in all the movies,

*Dick! I'm very disappointed....(dick) im sure its just a glitch, a temporary setback....(old man)you call this a glitch!? your temporary setback could cost us 90 million in interest payments alone!*
Not...
*(old man)That damned machine killed kinney! you bastard!*

I think its time we gave something back! *forcing the city of detroit to live in a giant metropolis called DELTA CITY, whether they wanted to or not.. A utopian idea unrealistically pursued by crushing the status quo.

Old mans main drive was money and business, not helping people or making cops happy... I thought he was awesome in Robocop, but in 2 his character seemed to be written in poorly to the script, like his original premise was lost when dick pulled a peter pan at the end of 1.... he didnt care that robocop saved his ass in 1, he said he did a good job sure, but we need something better! wtf OLD MAN!

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The old man really was cold in all the movies,

*Dick! I'm very disappointed....(dick) im sure its just a glitch, a temporary setback....(old man)you call this a glitch!? your temporary setback could cost us 90 million in interest payments alone!*
Not...
*(old man)That damned machine killed kinney! you bastard!*

I think its time we gave something back! *forcing the city of detroit to live in a giant metropolis called DELTA CITY, whether they wanted to or not.. A utopian idea unrealistically pursued by crushing the status quo.

Old mans main drive was money and business, not helping people or making cops happy... I thought he was awesome in Robocop, but in 2 his character seemed to be written in poorly to the script, like his original premise was lost when dick pulled a peter pan at the end of 1.... he didnt care that robocop saved his ass in 1, he said he did a good job sure, but we need something better! wtf OLD MAN!

[NOF]

Simply put, the Old Man was the head of OCP, a neo fascist multi national corporation that is*:

anti Union
anti Welfare state
anti nationalised industry
anti government investment
anti tax-and-spend
pro war
pro sweatshop

His character, for me personally, is entirely consistent throughout both films. Construction for Delta City hadn't begun, so the toll of abusive decisions hadn't completely taken their toll on him.



*these are my own interpretation.

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Simply put, the Old Man was the head of OCP, a neo fascist multi national corporation that is*:

anti Union
anti Welfare state
anti nationalised industry
anti government investment
anti tax-and-spend
pro war
pro sweatshop

His character, for me personally, is entirely consistent throughout both films. Construction for Delta City hadn't begun, so the toll of abusive decisions hadn't completely taken their toll on him.



*these are my own interpretation.

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Simply put, the Old Man was the head of OCP, a neo fascist multi national corporation that is*:

anti Union
anti Welfare state
anti nationalised industry
anti government investment
anti tax-and-spend
pro war
pro sweatshop

His character, for me personally, is entirely consistent throughout both films. Construction for Delta City hadn't begun, so the toll of abusive decisions hadn't completely taken their toll on him.



*these are my own interpretation.

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Simply put, the Old Man was the head of OCP, a neo fascist multi national corporation that is*:

anti Union
anti Welfare state
anti nationalised industry
anti government investment
anti tax-and-spend
pro war
pro sweatshop

His character, for me personally, is entirely consistent throughout both films. Construction for Delta City hadn't begun, so the toll of abusive decisions hadn't completely taken their toll on him.



*these are my own interpretation.

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Im almost shocked to see that many think that the Old man was even remotedly close to being a decent man, nevermind being "good"

We only see the Old Man twice in RoboCop. neither showed him behind the closed doors - only at official meetings, so compare that to the scene when he was also making official statement - in front of the press in R2. Think about it - if we would only see Dick Jones in the board room scene, hed be exactly the same as the Old man, sans power. Actually, he would seem even nicer. And again, he feared the Old Man, he let him talk down on him, he was his puppy. That means he knew what kind of power and abilities the Old Man has.

In the first scene, we see Old Man as someone who holds a huge power and is very stern. Then when Kinney dies he gets manical ...not because someone was just blasted to pieces - he completely shrugged it off and thought only about business that will put him back in the schedule - JUST LIKE JONES. The only difference between the two is that Jones feared the Old Man and Old man had the power. I never thought of him as a good or even neutral person anyway.In the first movie he completely shrugs off Kinney's death and thinks only about the business side. He's untouched by death and violence. I always thought of him as a very cold and cruel person. NEVER otherwise.

The second time we see him briefly in the boardroom scene. He punches Jones, gets free and seems unaffected by Jones who just got blasted away and squashed on the sidewalk below and by what happened. "Just an obstacle out of the way" kind of approach

I do not see ANY incosistency , nor change in his character in R2. Just the expansion. The only difference is that we see this cold and cruel man behind the closed doors. And even then its not like hes a murderer or something. Hes a powerful man behind this megacorporation. Wiping out of mayor and others wasnt even his idea, it was suggested to him and even then he hesitated and looked at Hozlgang in search for more options. If Mayor would get his payment, OCP's stock would fall and the entire empire would crumble! EVERYTHING was at stake for him.

As for the info on the Old Man, too bad we dont know more about this character. One can imagine how he got into this position and how he raised this company into such heights. One can only think what Jones knew about him that made him tremble in his presence and lower his head when meeting his fury, and not even consider taking him out so he can take his place sooner and easier

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Im almost shocked to see that many think that the Old man was even remotedly close to being a decent man, nevermind being "good"

We only see the Old Man twice in RoboCop. neither showed him behind the closed doors - only at official meetings, so compare that to the scene when he was also making official statement - in front of the press in R2. Think about it - if we would only see Dick Jones in the board room scene, hed be exactly the same as the Old man, sans power. Actually, he would seem even nicer. And again, he feared the Old Man, he let him talk down on him, he was his puppy. That means he knew what kind of power and abilities the Old Man has.

In the first scene, we see Old Man as someone who holds a huge power and is very stern. Then when Kinney dies he gets manical ...not because someone was just blasted to pieces - he completely shrugged it off and thought only about business that will put him back in the schedule - JUST LIKE JONES. The only difference between the two is that Jones feared the Old Man and Old man had the power. I never thought of him as a good or even neutral person anyway.In the first movie he completely shrugs off Kinney's death and thinks only about the business side. He's untouched by death and violence. I always thought of him as a very cold and cruel person. NEVER otherwise.

The second time we see him briefly in the boardroom scene. He punches Jones, gets free and seems unaffected by Jones who just got blasted away and squashed on the sidewalk below and by what happened. "Just an obstacle out of the way" kind of approach

I do not see ANY incosistency , nor change in his character in R2. Just the expansion. The only difference is that we see this cold and cruel man behind the closed doors. And even then its not like hes a murderer or something. Hes a powerful man behind this megacorporation. Wiping out of mayor and others wasnt even his idea, it was suggested to him and even then he hesitated and looked at Hozlgang in search for more options. If Mayor would get his payment, OCP's stock would fall and the entire empire would crumble! EVERYTHING was at stake for him.

As for the info on the Old Man, too bad we dont know more about this character. One can imagine how he got into this position and how he raised this company into such heights. One can only think what Jones knew about him that made him tremble in his presence and lower his head when meeting his fury, and not even consider taking him out so he can take his place sooner and easier

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Im almost shocked to see that many think that the Old man was even remotedly close to being a decent man, nevermind being "good"

We only see the Old Man twice in RoboCop. neither showed him behind the closed doors - only at official meetings, so compare that to the scene when he was also making official statement - in front of the press in R2. Think about it - if we would only see Dick Jones in the board room scene, hed be exactly the same as the Old man, sans power. Actually, he would seem even nicer. And again, he feared the Old Man, he let him talk down on him, he was his puppy. That means he knew what kind of power and abilities the Old Man has.

In the first scene, we see Old Man as someone who holds a huge power and is very stern. Then when Kinney dies he gets manical ...not because someone was just blasted to pieces - he completely shrugged it off and thought only about business that will put him back in the schedule - JUST LIKE JONES. The only difference between the two is that Jones feared the Old Man and Old man had the power. I never thought of him as a good or even neutral person anyway.In the first movie he completely shrugs off Kinney's death and thinks only about the business side. He's untouched by death and violence. I always thought of him as a very cold and cruel person. NEVER otherwise.

The second time we see him briefly in the boardroom scene. He punches Jones, gets free and seems unaffected by Jones who just got blasted away and squashed on the sidewalk below and by what happened. "Just an obstacle out of the way" kind of approach

I do not see ANY incosistency , nor change in his character in R2. Just the expansion. The only difference is that we see this cold and cruel man behind the closed doors. And even then its not like hes a murderer or something. Hes a powerful man behind this megacorporation. Wiping out of mayor and others wasnt even his idea, it was suggested to him and even then he hesitated and looked at Hozlgang in search for more options. If Mayor would get his payment, OCP's stock would fall and the entire empire would crumble! EVERYTHING was at stake for him.

As for the info on the Old Man, too bad we dont know more about this character. One can imagine how he got into this position and how he raised this company into such heights. One can only think what Jones knew about him that made him tremble in his presence and lower his head when meeting his fury, and not even consider taking him out so he can take his place sooner and easier

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Im almost shocked to see that many think that the Old man was even remotedly close to being a decent man, nevermind being "good"

We only see the Old Man twice in RoboCop. neither showed him behind the closed doors - only at official meetings, so compare that to the scene when he was also making official statement - in front of the press in R2. Think about it - if we would only see Dick Jones in the board room scene, hed be exactly the same as the Old man, sans power. Actually, he would seem even nicer. And again, he feared the Old Man, he let him talk down on him, he was his puppy. That means he knew what kind of power and abilities the Old Man has.

In the first scene, we see Old Man as someone who holds a huge power and is very stern. Then when Kinney dies he gets manical ...not because someone was just blasted to pieces - he completely shrugged it off and thought only about business that will put him back in the schedule - JUST LIKE JONES. The only difference between the two is that Jones feared the Old Man and Old man had the power. I never thought of him as a good or even neutral person anyway.In the first movie he completely shrugs off Kinney's death and thinks only about the business side. He's untouched by death and violence. I always thought of him as a very cold and cruel person. NEVER otherwise.

The second time we see him briefly in the boardroom scene. He punches Jones, gets free and seems unaffected by Jones who just got blasted away and squashed on the sidewalk below and by what happened. "Just an obstacle out of the way" kind of approach

I do not see ANY incosistency , nor change in his character in R2. Just the expansion. The only difference is that we see this cold and cruel man behind the closed doors. And even then its not like hes a murderer or something. Hes a powerful man behind this megacorporation. Wiping out of mayor and others wasnt even his idea, it was suggested to him and even then he hesitated and looked at Hozlgang in search for more options. If Mayor would get his payment, OCP's stock would fall and the entire empire would crumble! EVERYTHING was at stake for him.

As for the info on the Old Man, too bad we dont know more about this character. One can imagine how he got into this position and how he raised this company into such heights. One can only think what Jones knew about him that made him tremble in his presence and lower his head when meeting his fury, and not even consider taking him out so he can take his place sooner and easier

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If you noticed in robocop 2, when the old man makes his press conference to present city and robocop 2, one sees the flags of the ocp. They are of red color with a white circle in the medium and the logo ocp inside. It strongly resembles the flag Nazi which was similar but with the swatiska in the center, of course.

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If you noticed in robocop 2, when the old man makes his press conference to present city and robocop 2, one sees the flags of the ocp. They are of red color with a white circle in the medium and the logo ocp inside. It strongly resembles the flag Nazi which was similar but with the swatiska in the center, of course.

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If you noticed in robocop 2, when the old man makes his press conference to present city and robocop 2, one sees the flags of the ocp. They are of red color with a white circle in the medium and the logo ocp inside. It strongly resembles the flag Nazi which was similar but with the swatiska in the center, of course.

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If you noticed in robocop 2, when the old man makes his press conference to present city and robocop 2, one sees the flags of the ocp. They are of red color with a white circle in the medium and the logo ocp inside. It strongly resembles the flag Nazi which was similar but with the swatiska in the center, of course.

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Well i dont think it should be looked at this way (like OCP worrying about looking like Nazi or marketing). The first two Robocop movies arent suppose to be taken literally, theyre a social satire and therefore they're one big set of metaphors and hidden messages. They are a dark caricature of American society and 80's capitalism.

I think its an interesting and great idea to suggest Nazi/Totalitarian occupation with OCP taking over Detroit. A very fitting one too. My one and only small criticism about that is that in here the meaning isnt really hidden - the Nazi reference is just so obvious that you cant believe how identical that stuff is. I dont think it really needed spelling out like this. The flags and banners alone would get the message across. Black leather uniforms with red markings was simply spelling it all out

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Well i dont think it should be looked at this way (like OCP worrying about looking like Nazi or marketing). The first two Robocop movies arent suppose to be taken literally, theyre a social satire and therefore they're one big set of metaphors and hidden messages. They are a dark caricature of American society and 80's capitalism.

I think its an interesting and great idea to suggest Nazi/Totalitarian occupation with OCP taking over Detroit. A very fitting one too. My one and only small criticism about that is that in here the meaning isnt really hidden - the Nazi reference is just so obvious that you cant believe how identical that stuff is. I dont think it really needed spelling out like this. The flags and banners alone would get the message across. Black leather uniforms with red markings was simply spelling it all out

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Well i dont think it should be looked at this way (like OCP worrying about looking like Nazi or marketing). The first two Robocop movies arent suppose to be taken literally, theyre a social satire and therefore they're one big set of metaphors and hidden messages. They are a dark caricature of American society and 80's capitalism.

I think its an interesting and great idea to suggest Nazi/Totalitarian occupation with OCP taking over Detroit. A very fitting one too. My one and only small criticism about that is that in here the meaning isnt really hidden - the Nazi reference is just so obvious that you cant believe how identical that stuff is. I dont think it really needed spelling out like this. The flags and banners alone would get the message across. Black leather uniforms with red markings was simply spelling it all out

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Well i dont think it should be looked at this way (like OCP worrying about looking like Nazi or marketing). The first two Robocop movies arent suppose to be taken literally, theyre a social satire and therefore they're one big set of metaphors and hidden messages. They are a dark caricature of American society and 80's capitalism.

I think its an interesting and great idea to suggest Nazi/Totalitarian occupation with OCP taking over Detroit. A very fitting one too. My one and only small criticism about that is that in here the meaning isnt really hidden - the Nazi reference is just so obvious that you cant believe how identical that stuff is. I dont think it really needed spelling out like this. The flags and banners alone would get the message across. Black leather uniforms with red markings was simply spelling it all out

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