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Robocop007
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Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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Comment: You can keep the gum
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  Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:26 am |
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| Robowreck : | The old man really was cold in all the movies,
*Dick! I'm very disappointed....(dick) im sure its just a glitch, a temporary setback....(old man)you call this a glitch!? your temporary setback could cost us 90 million in interest payments alone!*
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Its actually 50 million in interest payments... 
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KidGoesWild
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Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Comment: I type it, you think it
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:05 am |
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Since this is the Old Man topic:
What happened to him? He's mentioned in R3 and highly spoken about, but where was he? died? Prosecuted?
When I first saw R3 I just assumed that the RoboCain incident led to his prosecution and that he couldnt get away with it after all. I also thought that and the payments to the families of the victims and all the legal repercussions led to the demise of OCP and the state it was in R3 (greatly falling and partially owned by Kanemitsu).
But when I rewatched R3 for the first time in ages I realized that it doesnt add up to what I always thought. First of all, the CEO spokes highly about the Old Man. He wouldnt if they would be talking about a corrupted prosecuted criminal. Secondly, the more I think about it, the more I believe that R3 completely ingores R2 and acts like it never happened - I wanted to actually start a separate topic on that but Im not sure if it hasnt been discussed already, and since Im a new guy here I dont want to go crazy with creating new topics right away
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DoktorNo
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Post Count: 932
Comment: In XX Century people had nuts, now they don't have spines.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:11 am |
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R#3 is a piece of crap, with no connection with the rest of the series.
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KidGoesWild
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Comment: I type it, you think it
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:04 pm |
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| DoktorNo : | | R#3 is a piece of crap, with no connection with the rest of the series. |
Thats true with R2, but with R1 I think theres a clear and shameless attempt to force a bond and connection with the first one. R3 was everything thats wrong with Hollywood - it wasnt about the storytelling or art anymore. It was now following the typical Holywood FORMULA - "copy the first movie cause it made more money". And so we have forced and contrived ties with the first one, like cinematography (color and visual presentation), music, similar scenes (like the ending) and constant throwbacks (delta city, the dollar guy, remembering death). Its just so planned out and forced that it makes the movie even worse. I think thats one of the biggest problems -that it had guidelines and formula to follow. That greatly limited the story. That and further limitations - the appeal to kids. And of course, the absolutely awful and unlogical script
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Johan
Archive Dictator
Joined: 17 Nov 2001
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This scenes plays at about 44 minutes into RoboCop3 and to me it always seemed to hint that the old man was removed from his chair. That he became expendable.
But it could also be interpreted that it was something the old man used to say.
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KidGoesWild
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:27 pm |
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| Johan : | This scenes plays at about 44 minutes into RoboCop3 and to me it always seemed to hint that the old man was removed from his chair. That he became expendable.
But it could also be interpreted that it was something the old man used to say.
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Hmm,, now thats a very good catch! For some reason I always assumed its something the Old Man used to say, but Johnson doesnt say "remember what Old man used to say".
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Johan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:00 pm |
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| KidGoesWild : | | I think its an interesting and great idea to suggest Nazi/Totalitarian occupation with OCP taking over Detroit. A very fitting one too. My one and only small criticism about that is that in here the meaning isnt really hidden - the Nazi reference is just so obvious that you cant believe how identical that stuff is. |
I think they choose to make it overly obvious so absolutely EVERYONE would get it. The problem with anything subtle in movies is that it always leaves room for interpretation and the casual moviegoer just wont pick up anything remotely subtle. Just look at the Transformers movies. a caveman could watch them without getting confused and that is how they are meant to be.
That's why a lot of people see RoboCop as a fun action movie while the lucky bunch can see the different layers and get so much more.
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KidGoesWild
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:52 pm |
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| Johan : |
I think they choose to make it overly obvious so absolutely EVERYONE would get it. The problem with anything subtle in movies is that it always leaves room for interpretation and the casual moviegoer just wont pick up anything remotely subtle. Just look at the Transformers movies. a caveman could watch them without getting confused and that is how they are meant to be.
That's why a lot of people see RoboCop as a fun action movie while the lucky bunch can see the different layers and get so much more. |
Well, thats absolutely true. But the difference for me in this example is that analogies and innuendos were rather subtle in the first two RoboCop movies. And yes, in R2 too with this one exception. Its not something that's bothering me or anything, but if I could I would at least loose the red markings on the black leather uniforms
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Officer Harvey
Metro West District, Detroit Police Department, OCP
Joined: 14 Jun 2010
Post Count: 71
Comment: I'm not in a Labor Union. I'm a Police Officer. I Don't Strike.
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| Johan : | This scenes plays at about 44 minutes into RoboCop3 and to me it always seemed to hint that the old man was removed from his chair. That he became expendable.
But it could also be interpreted that it was something the old man used to say.
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OH SH*T! Were they implying he was killed??? LMFAO go figure knowing OCP's track record.
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Officer Alex J Murphy
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Joined: 16 Jul 2010
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Comment: Murphy it's you
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:19 am |
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There wasnt any change in the old mans character in Robo 2 We just seen a lot more of him in Robo 2. Like many have said he wasnt exactly nice in Robo 1 talking about finacial loses after Kenny's death rather than the fact that a person died
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KidGoesWild
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:28 pm |
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| Officer Alex J Murphy : | | There wasnt any change in the old mans character in Robo 2 We just seen a lot more of him in Robo 2. Like many have said he wasnt exactly nice in Robo 1 talking about finacial loses after Kenny's death rather than the fact that a person died |
Right, as Ive said couple of pages back
In addition to that, Jones feared the Old Man. If such powerful and cold man like Jones who had big crime connections feared Old Man, then he obviously knew something we didnt. He didnt get rid of the Old Man like he did with Bob. He never even thought about it even tho the fact that the Old Man was still breathing kept him from being #1. So he knew something more. Knew not to screw with the Old Man
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bucka607
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Daniel O' Herlihy was the best old man out of all the robocops. My favourite line from him has to be in R2 when cain and robo are going at it and he just roars out ''BEHAVE YOURSELVES'' they just carry on shooting eachother and its like he just says fuck this leave them at it....
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KidGoesWild
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Theres something I always missed every time I was watching R3. The CEO says: Our esteemed former chairman had a dream. He called it Delta City!".
Esteemed means having an illustrious reputation, being respected. SO that definitely rules out the possibility of him being prosecuted. I also think taking him off the chair is out of the loop too. I think now that he either died or simply retired
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TheOldManOCP
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Joined: 20 Jul 2010
Post Count: 45
Comment: Anyone can buy OCP's stock and own a piece of our city. What could be more democratic than that?
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I think that the old man's nature just became more obvious and overt just like OCP's.
In my opinion, they went over-the-top with the nazi banners, uniforms, and the addition of the lawyer. His character just evolved a bit to fit the new more evil OCP.
By the way: I was watching the Blu-ray of R2, and I noticed that there is a picture of the Old Man with Ronald Reagan on his desk during the scene with the Mayor. That fits more in-line with the 80's economic satire from the first film, and it's nice and subtle.
EDIT Adding Screenshots:
Screenshot from the DVD
President Reagan for comparison
It's hardly conclusive, but I think it's President Reagan.
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